and what happens if some one is found not guilty or the CPS decides not to persue .......................

Ooh er missus

These things get muddier when unions become involved anyway. Theyre all only ever after self promotion and very rarely in my experience even want a fair resolution.



FWIW they can suspend with no pay and then still dismiss, not sure where the rep was coming from here. (obviously there are issues if the person isnt guilty)

Indeed. Which is why full pay is the safer option. Hull have held back their investigation into this case until the CPS decided to pursue.



Personnaly i'd look at his chances based on the evidence and decide whether to go for no pay. If he then gets found not guilty he is obviously due some serious back pay as well as apologies etc.

Sorry I am one of those union types



I can't see how they could suspend without pay and for that reason alone I suspect they will just put off any decision until such times as the case is resolved. He may opt for a plea bargain and that will throw spanners in the works as at that point any employer could act. I do work where any form of crime/ bringing the organisation into disrepute is considered a sackable offence. This has been the case and rightly so, but I do not think it impacts on his job as a rugby player in this case.

You must have a lot of splinters in that lardy 4rse of yours all the fence sitting you do

can someone ask him if they see him this week if he has any cartridges for a Canon LBP5000 colour laser printer ?? Im looking for a black and a magenta !!

I'm sure the club have known about this for some time.

They cannot terminate his contract on the grounds of it unless he pleads guilty or is convicted. To do so would leave them open to a claim for damages for breach of contract.

Looks like we are stuck with him till next April by which time the season will be well under way, he will be on our salary cap and it will be difficult to find a replacement if one is needed.

The problem is that there can be a lot of grey areas with non-brand and "counterfeit" ink cartridges.

I appreciate that completely. But he will be found either guilty or innocent of the charges - I suspect it will end up being "if he knew" scenario - and no-one would admit to that .... would they?

Perhaps I should have put a

in that post.

Maybe he does, then again, maybe not

Damn right - they should be black though

No it wouldnt!

It's not a massive shock though is it? I mean he had to supplement his lack of winning pay somehow

Actually it would.

Unless you know something that we don't



Please tell me you do.

I definitely should have put a

in the post.

and so the circus continiues........

wrong club,your re the one with the clowns

I know that technically its a grey area and actually the employer can do as they choose as long as they approach it correctly/appropriately. (its a hell of a strong arguement to talk about damage to a brand even if the person hasnt been found guilty etc, even by being charged)

The way to spot the dodgy cartridge was the fact it had a HP sticker on it from a ketchup bottle...

Obviously it depends upon exactly what Raynor's contract says but I should have thought the club would be on very dodgy ground if it were to try to terminate it on the grounds of damage to reputation/brand and/or bringing the club into disrepute in respect of allegations which Raynor apparently denies and remains unconvicted of. If Raynor were later to be acquitted or the charges were dropped he would have a substantial claim against the club which would also have damaged its own brand (if any further damage were possible!) by its own actions. A judge would expect an employer to await the outcome of the criminal proceedings and I can't see any prudent employer doing otherwise.