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| Quote ="knocker norton"I am probably in the minority here but I think Maloney playing for a top Championship for a month isnt such a bad thing. The standard is far better then the reserves at the moment and I dont think he has proved himself to be a super league prop just yet.
Granted he may not have been given as much opportunity but stepping into the championship for match experience whilst still training with Hull may benefit him at his current stage of development.'"
It's till the end of season and we haven't discussed a new contract with him yet...He must be one of the dead wood
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| Has he made way on the salary roster to pay for Tansey's early transfer?
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| Unfortunatley i don`t think Maloney is big enough, while he never let us down he is not what we need as a prop, we have been screaming for some size up front sice Carvell did the dirty on us and as far as i can see Maloney isn`t the answer, hopefully Lauaki isn`t too far away from been able to play and we`ll hopefully see some real impact from the bench.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"I am probably in the minority here but I think Maloney playing for a top Championship for a month isnt such a bad thing. The standard is far better then the reserves at the moment and I dont think he has proved himself to be a super league prop just yet.
Granted he may not have been given as much opportunity but stepping into the championship for match experience whilst still training with Hull may benefit him at his current stage of development.'"
That minority is growing!
FWIW Maloney has done OK for us and i would like him to stay on next year. However, if we have 6 or 7 props already signed up and he is at the back of that list then it makes sense for him personally and for us to not hold onto him. Bigger picture needed here.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"That minority is growing!
FWIW Maloney has done OK for us and i would like him to stay on next year. However, if we have 6 or 7 props already signed up and he is at the back of that list then it makes sense for him personally and for us to not hold onto him. Bigger picture needed here.'"
Indeed.
King, Radford, Dowes and Cusack all ooc at the end of next season. Maloney with the right coaching could be a ready made replacement for one of them without the need to recruit elsewhere. Seems some coaches don't want to coach anymore and prefer the ready made option.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Indeed.
King, Radford, Dowes and Cusack all ooc at the end of next season. Maloney with the right coaching could be a ready made replacement for one of them without the need to recruit elsewhere. Seems some coaches don't want to coach anymore and prefer the ready made option.'"
He could. Or on the other hand he could sit in our reserves and not develop or be good enough meaning weve wasted time and money trying. FWIW i dont even think King and Radford will be here next season but with the signings we are bringing in Maloney wont get a game either.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Indeed.
King, Radford, Dowes and Cusack all ooc at the end of next season. Maloney with the right coaching could be a ready made replacement for one of them without the need to recruit elsewhere. Seems some coaches don't want to coach anymore and prefer the ready made option.'"
Agree. So surely a spell at Halifax with the chance to play in the play offs in the championship will help him more then half a dozen games in the reserves?
I personally think Hull may keep him for at least another year.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Agree. So surely a spell at Halifax with the chance to play in the play offs in the championship will help him more then half a dozen games in the reserves?
I personally think Hull may keep him for at least another year.'"
Hope they do, he has real promise. But if we dont its not the end of the world either like some are making out.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Indeed.
King, Radford, Dowes and Cusack all ooc at the end of next season. Maloney with the right coaching could be a ready made replacement for one of them without the need to recruit elsewhere. Seems some coaches don't want to coach anymore and prefer the ready made option.'"
With the props we have for next season do you think he would get a game?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"With the props we have for next season do you think he would get a game?'"
Exactly the bigger picture point i was making, however, in 12 months time with a year on loan at Fax if that happened he may well be a better replacement too for King if he hasnt already gone by then.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"With the props we have for next season do you think he would get a game?'"
Factoring in injuries, loss of form and a coach that believes in him then, yes.
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| Personaly I think the biggest insult is Agar saying he is "just sat outside the top 17." Jeez, if you cant match some of those hopeless losers,you have no chance.
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| Reading Agars comments on the Hull FC site would suggest that he thinks he is progressing although just not in the first 17 and a spell at Fax will help this process.
All indicates that Agar has future plans for Maloney IMO.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Factoring in injuries, loss of form and a coach that believes in him then, yes.'"
I'm not sure why you think Agar believing in him will suddenly make him a better player?
He has been solid but nothing special in the games we have seen him so far. The only way he would get a game next year is due to injuries and for his own development it would be a waste for him to play in the reserves. Currently I would play him over a couple of our current "props" though.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Reading Agars comments on the Hull FC site would suggest that he thinks he is progressing although just not in the first 17 and a spell at Fax will help this process.
All indicates that Agar has future plans for Maloney IMO.'"
I know what you are saying but I disagree. Agar hasn't been giving DM hardly any chances all season. FFS Agar even brought another prop in from the other side of the world and then had the cheek to loan DM out.
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| Yes but just because we have a few injuries doesnt mean Maloney is suddenly 'ready' for super league. I do not know much about Cordoba but you have to give the club some credit for bringing a guy across mid season to help the coach put out as strong a squad as possible.
If Agar doesnt think Maloney is ready then this signing makes sense in a results driven business ( ). Agar thinks a guy with 60 odd NRL appearance will improve the team more then the guy who is still cutting his teeth at this level but progressing none the less.
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| The only logical explanation i can see for this is due to the 25 player first team squad rule and he has had to make way on this so Tansey can be registered on it.
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| Quote ="FC Mute"The only logical explanation i can see for this is due to the 25 player first team squad rule and he has had to make way on this so Tansey can be registered on it.'"
Which 25 player first team squad rule is that?
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| Quote ="Standee"Which 25 player first team squad rule is that?'"
[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.
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| You will see teams have a 30 man squad, although only 25 of them will be classed as first team, some will be academy who do not count.
Another clear as glass RFl ruling.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.'"
Cheers, didn't realise such a rule existed.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.'"
But he wouldnt have had to leave Hull to come off the 25 players will he? (unless thats the only way the RFL would allow Tansey to join)
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| Quote ="FC Mute"You will see teams have a 30 man squad, although only 25 of them will be classed as first team, some will be academy who do not count.
Another clear as glass RFl ruling.'"
Wasnt aware of this rule, thought it had gone when the 20/25/25 ruling went but obviously hasnt.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Wasnt aware of this rule, thought it had gone when the 20/25/25 ruling went but obviously hasnt.
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I can't see how the RFL can enforce it, surely it's restriction of trade?
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| Couldnt we justify the signing of Tansey with the season ending injury to Motu? Thats assuming Motus injury is that bad of course.
Seems harsh that you cannot replace an injured player due to a 25 man squad ruling.
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