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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Great post. Berro, Horne and Lee as pivots - they've been playing together for long enough, but we still look more like we're getting in each other's way with ball in hand. The poor woman next to me today - if she shouted "Runners, where's the runners?" once she must have shouted it 50 times. How can our players be so unaware of what the others are doing when we get the ball? The gutting thing for me is we worked so hard today. The defence, particularly on our goal line was excellent for large parts of the game and our attitude was really good - plenty of bodies in at the tackle, all high fiving Yeamo when he forced the error, some massive hits etc - so it's not like we don't want it, just we don't have a detailed plan to follow that optimises our strengths and targets the opposition's weaknesses.'"
Excellent post.......so the final common denominator has to be the coach?????
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The lack of halfbacks is a problem, but what the halfbacks have had to work with is a huge part of that. No one running angles, no support, no options. You could put Sean Long into that side and he'd still struggle, not because he's not good enough, but because the attacking structure is so poor and because he wouldn't have enough options to cast doubt into the minds of the opposition defence.
With the likes of Berrigan, Horne, Washbrook and Whiting in the squad, we ought to have enough creativity to make a better fist of attacking than we are doing. But we persist in playing Thorman at SH and Radford at LF, then making it even more difficult by giving the ball players we have got zero options.
Of course we need better players, but we also need the ones we have - who will form the core of the side next season - to perform at a level closer to their full potential.'"
Too many people want to ignore this and believe that the introduction of an ageing half back will suddenly turn us into the harlem globetrotters of the RL world. They are very wrong. tansey and fitzgibbon won't make much difference either
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| Quote ="denbo63"Excellent post.......so the final common denominator has to be the coach?????'"
Looks that way.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Great post. Berro, Horne and Lee as pivots - they've been playing together for long enough, but we still look more like we're getting in each other's way with ball in hand. The poor woman next to me today - if she shouted "Runners, where's the runners?" once she must have shouted it 50 times. How can our players be so unaware of what the others are doing when we get the ball? The gutting thing for me is we worked so hard today. The defence, particularly on our goal line was excellent for large parts of the game and our attitude was really good - plenty of bodies in at the tackle, all high fiving Yeamo when he forced the error, some massive hits etc - so it's not like we don't want it, just we don't have a detailed plan to follow that optimises our strengths and targets the opposition's weaknesses.'"
The problem is we have a clueless coach. The quality of SL this season is very poor and with a decent coach we'd comfortably have been top 6, probably top 4. We have lost plenty of games by small margins which would have been wins under a better coach IMO. Good sides are well drilled and it becomes 2nd nature on game day. We look like we don't see each other between games
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"...people on here will take any slight opportunity to start a witch hunt against someone who has been quality for us over the years [ibut still can't get over a decision made by a coach 2 years ago[/i!'"
Isn't that an indication of how bad a decision it was? Let's be right about it, Motu, whilst being a good squad player for the club has never come even close to filling Shaun Briscoe's boots, which is what he was supposed to do.
Blatant bad business by the club is seldom forgotton by the fans. However it came about. It is unfortunate for Motu but if he'd been the 'better' fullback some on here touted him to be this wouldn't be happening would it. He's a victim of circumstance and his own mediocraty. It happens.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I have returned from Warrington drunk and angry though!'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"Really?
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| Quote ="Carlotti"Motu made one mistake today,thought all in all he was very near to our MOM today'"
As is usually the case. One mistake, again, seems to be the basis for attacks on him with all his good work being ignored. Ah well, maybe one day some will see that there's more to playing fullback than catching the occasional kick.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Too many people want to ignore this and believe that the introduction of an ageing half back will suddenly turn us into the harlem globetrotters of the RL world. They are very wrong. tansey and fitzgibbon won't make much difference either'" Maybe fitz will run those lines for us and I've seen tansey 1 or 2 times this season and is always on the shoulder looking for an offload.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Maybe fitz will run those lines for us and I've seen tansey 1 or 2 times this season and is always on the shoulder looking for an offload.'"
We'll soon beat that out of him - I'm sure he'll get the message after a couple of games of 5 drives and a kick that FC don't do offloads.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"We'll soon beat that out of him - I'm sure he'll get the message after a couple of games of 5 drives and a kick that FC don't do offloads.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"local boy,prince richard.fans have decided that he can't do any wrong,unlike motu,so it doesn't matter how many c**k ups he makes and how poorly he is playing at the moment,they will always blame someone else.'"
Horne gets plenty of criticism on here and has done for years. The difference is that he's never been blamed for a fan favourite leaving the club.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"As is usually the case. One mistake, again, seems to be the basis for attacks on him with all his good work being ignored. Ah well, maybe one day some will see that there's more to playing fullback than catching the occasional kick.'"
You say that like it's a bonus if they can do it. I'm no Motu basher, by the way, and I think he's a good player overall. I don't think he's a first choice full back, however.
The point is, a top full back will maybe let one or two bombs a season bounce, not one or two a game. I know full backs need to be more than safe in the modern game, but they do have to be safe.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"You say that like it's a bonus if they can do it. I'm no Motu basher, by the way, and I think he's a good player overall. I don't think he's a first choice full back, however.
The point is, a top full back will maybe let one or two bombs a season bounce, not one or two a game. I know full backs need to be more than safe in the modern game, but they do have to be safe.'"
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| Agaist Leeds I would shake things up a bit in the pivots and play.
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And have Tony off the bench as impact hooker.
You cant have a FB who cant catch a high ball, Horne isnt producing the goods from halfback.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Agaist Leeds I would shake things up a bit in the pivots and play.
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And have Tony off the bench as impact hooker.
You cant have a FB who cant catch a high ball, Horne isnt producing the goods from halfback.'"
I agree but with Thorman at 6 and Berro at 7.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I agree but with Thorman at 6 and Berro at 7.'"
I'd rather not have Thorman anywhere near the side TBH. If he [idoes[/i play we're going to have to work out how to protect him in defence, because Leeds know they can just run through him at will.
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| Can Thorman catch a high ball?
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| Quote ="muddyboots"Can Thorman catch a high ball?
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Isn't Thorman a worse full back than he is a half back?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd rather not have Thorman anywhere near the side TBH. If he [idoes[/i play we're going to have to work out how to protect him in defence, because Leeds know they can just run through him at will.'"
Replace the word 'Leeds' with the phrase 'Any team in the league' and I think you're about right.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Isn't Thorman a worse full back than he is a half back?'"
Probably but if Agar is going to insist on playing him i would put him there.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"As is usually the case. One mistake, again, seems to be the basis for attacks on him with all his good work being ignored. Ah well, maybe one day some will see that there's more to playing fullback than catching the occasional kick.'"
Or making a good kick return
Oh wait he's only brought it back to where he should of caught it in the first place after letting it bounce 20 yards back eh
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