Size of the packs was the main difference today, we couldn't get in the game with Catalans pack dominating us from kick off, our defence around the ruck was poor, Dwyer has some work to do in that area.

Teams target Dwyer for sure. We need some size in the SR too

We certainly don’t the same level in the SR as we did with Mini & Sika. Lane really has been disappointing and just doesn’t seem to have kicked on and Savelio as good as he is just doesn’t string enough games together. Wouldn’t be surprised to see major changes in that dept for next season.

Think Brown showed he should be in the 17 ahead of Evans too who for me just isn’t making enough of an impact for a quota forward.
Just got totally outmuscled and dominated tonight

2016...minichello, Ellis, manu,....2023 lane, Griffin, fash

That's depressing

Couldn’t be much different could it. What we wouldnt give to see something like Mini, Sika & Ellis now.

Could be Rovers fans though

Indeed. Front row weaker as well IMO, Taylor and Watts at their best were brilliant.

Every cloud and all that

Could be even worse and be St’s fans. St’s certainly won’t be sending Kendall any Christmas cards this year.

Congrats to Leeds on becoming the new world champs

Very un Saints like. Completely lost the plot.

That shoulder charge call was a stinker though

Fair play to Leeds though in the end deserved to nick it, thought Walters was very lucky and can’t believe Kendall didn’t see it as a shoulder charge. Leeds seemed to be better when Leeming went off injured. Myler turning in to a bit of an actor though Hurrell deservedly seeing the red card.

Kendall is e but not quite as bad as that Smith in the box tonight who reffed last nights game.
Useless

and we beat the world champs

reality check

Squad is average agree likes of Houghton, Mcintosh, Lane, Evans, mcnamara and a few more need to go

As for smith he's not won a major trophy for a long time

Is he even that good now? His bench etc has been shambolic upto now took him 2 games to notice 3 hookers doesn't work in rugby league

45 missed tackles tells you all you need to know and that was before the Dragons game
Defence always tells you everything you need to know

Every club he leaves is always in a better position then when he took over.

Is Lovodua a hooker ? Cant seem to pass, his distribution is the worst Ive seen. That said just shows how poor the squad is when you have to play people like Houghton and Lovodua in the middle.

Think your being harsh on players like Lane and Mcnamara who both have time on there side, deffo too early to write Benny Mac off. If I am honest I am more concerned by players who are supposed to be more senior. People go after Evans but Sao steals a wage for me.

But he's done nothing since wire and that was only a league leaders in 2016 ( if you fail the play offs is like winning the charity shield )

Lane is bang average, hasn't kicked on he's 26 this year not a "prospect" anymore

Mcnamara has time on his side but he's gunna be another "youngster" till he's 26/27 doing nothing

Richard Horne was an international at 20

Who's your 10 players if your not including Lane and Mcnamara!?

But agree alot of dross still in that team

Not even sure if smith is all that these days his best days was nearly 10 years ago

My record goes merrily on. On plus for me is that Hull City won and I tipped them to lose!

I won big on Wigan

I don't think the loss is a shock, but the scoreline is disappointing. Think Smith is still trying to find his best side, I do think we needed the workrate and defence of a Houghton or Cator.

I'd certainly look to change Dywer to bench hooker and start Houghton, drop Mcintosh and McNamara, Mcintosh too many errors, lightweight and poor defence. I've not seen anything from McNamara to say he I good enough yet for SL, slow, doesn't take on the line, poor kicking and hasn't that killer pass, I saw more from Hookem in 40 minutes that ie seen from McNamara.

I think we have to go with Lovodua at 6, not perfect, but he can run and cause problems as we saw a few times last season.

Bring in one of Mitch, Wynne or Litten on the wing.

I think some fans got carried away with our start and now a few are overreacting to this loss.

Big game next week though, with Saints away the week after, important we beat Salford, which won't be easy the way they play.

Stats from the game are out. Pretty grim reading. No one made 100m from us.

Important that we bounce back against Salford, they'll be hurting after 2 losses on the spin.