Agree with this. In summary, very good play all round.

Phelps should have tackled Fox, poor play from him, lucky for him Briscoe had tracked back.

Thought Phelps had a decent game, needs to improve his one on one defence.

So you've gone from this....


To this.....



You are a cretin.

It was team work between the 2 of them. As it happens I personally think that Phelps did the bare minimum required of the fullback in that situation in that he forced Fox to alter direction and break stride. Had it not been for Briscoe though, Fox would have strolled under the posts for an easy try.

Phelps was coming across and Fox cut inside leaving Phelps wrong=footed...he couldnt have done much more...same for Rovers 1st try.

Will to agree to disagree, other past fullbacks like Prescott, Tony and Gay would have tackled them both though.

Could be worse, I could weave myself a fantasy world where I'm "on the inside" at Hull FC then come on here telling people about it

ok,i'm a cretin,who cares ? but it was Phelps who prevented the try NOT Briscoe by halting Foxs' run thus giving Briscoe the time to mop up - it's not difficult to understand,even to a fellow cretin.

Briscoe mopped up at the end instead of Phelps making the classic tackle - in the end the FC got the right result = they prevented the try with good teamwork,that's what they get paid for,well done

Indeed. But where opinions are presented as fact, or conflict with facts, they should be challenged.


You were at the game? Because if not then you haven't seen anything that everyone else hasn't. Some of us multiple times.

IMO Tom would have reached Fox at or just before Fox hit the try line. Now whether he would have been able to prevent the try from being scored is another matter and TBH I have no idea as there are too many variables involved.

never said I was at the game fellow cretin,but I was on the line at Perpignan for Menzies debarcle (which i'm not supposed to mention) plus had a great view of his inability to catch Blanch as I have boringly repeated many times (yawn)
It's obvious that Briscoe was either : a) carrying an injury thus preventing from catching either of these players or b) doesn't have enough pace at the highest level at this moment in time.
Now this indicated to me that as good as Tom may be,he was never going to be able to catch Fox who is no slouch.e will never know,will we ? The main thing is the try was prevented.

you said 'IMO' Tom would have reached Fox - that's your opinion,not mine - sorry

Simple question for a simpleton...

Which player tackled Fox and by definition prevented the try by preventing Fox from putting the ball down over the try line?

Take your time and try and get it right.

From where I was sat it looked like Phelps came across leaving Fox the outside, at the same time Tom came back inside anticipatiing Fox would also, which for me was a very good read of play and understanding of each other from both Phelps and Tom (in a short period of time).

If you had bothered to 'take your time' and read the posts,it's not a question of who tackled Fox - we all know the bl*****g obvious - the question (paraphrased) is ' if Phelps hadn't have been present would Tom had been able to prevent stop Fox scoring ?'
I say 'NO' because Fox would have made it to the line to touch down before Tom had caught him.If you disagree,then so be it.
It's not a criticism of Tom,just my personal opinion of that particular situation.

Simply answered by the simpleton I hope ? what's your excuse ?

quite right mate - Phelps saw Tom was in trouble so covered and good teamwork prevented the try.Well said that man (or woman).

For a start, why use abuse when I've been nothing but polite to you? For second, as we are discussing the Derby you'll forgive me if I thought that your comment about seeing things up close might have been relevant to what was being discussed.

The Menzies thing is just making you look daft TBH. Despite a 30 metre head start Tom did, in fact, catch Menzies and looking at the replay arguably pushed him into the corner flag before he actually grounded the ball. In the face of these facts you insist on claiming that Menzies 'outpaced' him, which means that either your eyesight is faulty or you don't understand what 'outpaced' means. To be fair to you, mind, Bill Arthur made the same mistake and had to be corrected by one of his co-commentators on Friday.

Your assessments of Briscoe are quite well wide of the mark and couched in language designed to provoke controversy. In my opinion this makes you either daft or on a deliberate wind-up. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt sonny,I feel honoured - now,go back to moderating and leave the serious stuff to the people who actually understand the game.

is this briscoe kid any good then?

nah

If you doubt toms pace go on a certain video site and type in this.

Hull FC Hull KR 2008 Tom Briscoe 80 metre Try 20th july 2008

I can only assume your a WUM because you quite clearly stated that....



If Phelps hadn't have been present then Briscoe may or may not have caught him, that is open to debate. What is NOT open to debate is that if Briscoe had not tackled Fox then the try would have been scored because Phelps only managed to slow Fox down slightly, he didn't prevent the try at all.

Now how about you stop making even more of a fool of yourself and leave the discussion to the grown ups.

There seems to be people Doubting Thomas me thinks!!

Sonny.



Any 'understanding of the game' had probably better include an ability to judge distance and speed, something that you clearly lack. However, as amusing as showing you up has been it's also taken this thread off topic, for which I apologise to the sensible posters on it. Back on topic it is...

Thought Tom had a great game in the main but wasn't quite my MOM. Can only get better though and really pleased with the way he thinks about the game. Smart player.

Phelps needed Briscoe and Briscoe needed Phelps, otherwise Fox would have scored.

I brought it up as you have gone on about it constantly all week since the game accross several team boards. Plsu you keep getting it wrong, Briscoe caught Menzies.

Sorry did we mention a new contract or signing a contract for life? Every chance he will sign a new deal.

Honestly think Brisc would have caught him,wheteher he would have stopped him grounding isanother question