Are you deliberately missing the point?

I'm not talking about blaming Agar because the players didn't execute the plan correctly or praising Agar because the players execute his plan really well. I'm talking about blaming Agar because you dont agree with his plan in the first place.

For instance if I dont agree with his tactics/plan then just because the players do it well on this occasion I'm not about to suddenly start praising the plan am I?

This post is now going around in circles, we lost the points but overall have improved over the last two weeks, we've just got to keep on doing it from now on! Keep the faith.

Bit harsh on yourself there pal, you've only just started!



So the message is: keep working hard and losing, all the while feigning faith in daft lad as the man to lead us into contention?

So regardless of what results Agar and the team gets you will have the same opinion and not give any praise due to you not liking the plan? So if we won 10 on the bounce or won the CC cup for instance, that wouldn't change?

That's fair enough. My issue is with those that blame Agar when we lose and then praise the players when we do well.

Ok then you were taking the mick out of Agar again,who i thought got the game plan right today.Why don't you grow a pair and give Agar a bit of credit for a change instead of the constant anti Agar drivel?.

Not what he said at all!

We have improved since the Rovers/Leeds matches. We have lost two tight matches away from home against sides expected to be in the top four and inbetween won well at home.

Defensively we look a million times better.

You had a pop at Robbo and then back tracked end of.

He inferred nothing, but asked some genuine questions.

If we won 10 on the bounce and won the CC then clearly my opinion would be wrong and his plan/tactics would be effective. As it stands though a decent losing performance here and there is not cause for praise IMO.

I'll praise players when they play well and criticise when they play poorly, regardless of the result of the match. If Agar changed the way we play and the team played really well on a consistant basis I'd praise him as well.

Because we lost.
Because we threw away a lead against 12 men.
Because we are one win from 5.
Because if it wasn't for teams going into administration we'd be joint bottom of the table.
Because after three years, Agar's win percentage is below 50%.
Because we are making the same mistakes that we've always made under Agar.
Because the last time we beat one of the top 5 teams was 9 months ago.

If ignoring all those facts and praising defeat constitutes 'growing a pair', then I'm glad I don't have your life.

I don't suppose that's going to happen tbh.

Fair enough.

Tbf it is what he said, just not what he meant

It was niether imo

Touche

Aw, you went and ruined it

Did you even go to the game today?.

Has Expro hacked your account? You usually manage a better reply than that!

Honestly if that's the best you can manage as a reply then you're effectively saying 'You're right Garry, didn't think of it like that'.

ok what was your opinion on the teams effort today?.I thought the effort was great and we where a bit tad unlucky.Yes we lost the game against the champs in their own back yard but i thought that was a massive improvement and imo we are heading in the right direction,As long as that continues and we give 100% everytime then i will praise the team and the coach,And by the way i expected us to lose against a very good wigan team but ended up more pished off because we never won the game because of certain individuals errors near the end of the game.

Effort sounded top notch, brains and discipline sounded poor. A narrow defeat away to the champions sounds not bad but surrendering a lead to 12 men is criminal IMO. Given the context of the facts I listed above, I really don't see the grounds for praising Agar, giving him credit etc

Agar on HullFC.com has come in and given him three haymakers from behind, so they’re maybe lucky only to get one guy sent off. “I’m happy our blokes responded in the way they did, because if they’re not going to get the right protection during the game with some of that stuff going on then they’re entitled to do that.” www.hullfc.com/newsarticle.aspx? ... um=twitter

Agar on HullFC.com has come in and given him three haymakers from behind, so they’re maybe lucky only to get one guy sent off. “I’m happy our blokes responded in the way they did, because if they’re not going to get the right protection during the game with some of that stuff going on then they’re entitled to do that.” www.hullfc.com/newsarticle.aspx? ... um=twitter

I wish everyone would stop with this excuse of "we lost to the champions in their own back yard" quins turned saints over in their tempory back yard and saints were grand finalists and nearly champions and have been champions many times, what wigan did last year had no bearing on today especially as they were understrenght aswell.

Granted i didnt expect a win today but being 8-12 up with 10 mins to go and having the extra man we should of put the game to bed we have some very experienced players who should of seen the team over the line in that situation but the fact is we choked big time and that is down to the players and the coach, ill admit we have slightly improved but its still the same old failings and poor tactics that are costing us games so im yet to be convinced that we have turned the corner.

And on thesame basis, you're saying "No, I didn't go. I never do, I just like to moan about something I didn't see because I'm a whinging =#FF0000no thank you"

Quote ="FC Wembley 08"And on thesame basis, you're saying "No, I didn't go. I never do, I just like to moan about something I didn't see because I'm a whinging =#FF0000no thank you"'" No I was talking about the result, and in particular the result in the context of the rest of our results this season. Trying to take it down the 'I went so my opinion means more' line won't wash with a lot of people on here and is an attempt to de-rail the thread. That's pretty strong language you've used towards me there though, seems like you haven't got over the time I exposed you as a racist. Here's the link for anyone that missed it: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=477340

Quote ="FC Wembley 08"And on thesame basis, you're saying "No, I didn't go. I never do, I just like to moan about something I didn't see because I'm a whinging =#FF0000no thank you"'" No I was talking about the result, and in particular the result in the context of the rest of our results this season. Trying to take it down the 'I went so my opinion means more' line won't wash with a lot of people on here and is an attempt to de-rail the thread. That's pretty strong language you've used towards me there though, seems like you haven't got over the time I exposed you as a racist. Here's the link for anyone that missed it: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=477340

It is amazing that after a couple of very poor seasons, that such a small ray of sunshine can bring such a lot of joy for some fans.
We had a couple of decent games last year against Saints and Warrington, but overall we were still a poor side with a clueless coach.

The only thing I can see improved under Agar is the player personnel, but even some of that has been a bit iffy.

It was one game where the team could take alot of positives from, so what is wrong with that?.If they show the same commitment and passion that they did against Wigan yesterday the results will take care of themselves and i for one will be more than happy.

That has pretty much summed up my thoughts having spoken to a fair few who did make the trip, I just hope it hasn't taken a lot out of the players, working that hard and getting nothing could provoke very different reactions, from determination to desparation.