Yes it does matter as i think it proves that Tomkins isnt as good as people make out......half of this team look good in SL but are crap at this level.

Don't get me started on Tomkins - I think he's the dog's bollox. Not today, obviously.

Disagree..Tompkins is one of the best players this country has produced in a long while.....being outplayed as most of our team have today though

Said it last week and will say it again NZ to win the series....Aussies not as good imo.

That statement itself shows how far behind we are from the Aussies. Do you think he would walk into any NRL starting 13??

We have a habit of produceing very good players but not developing them at international level.....we need to go and get a Aussie coach for national team...simple as.

Got to agree there. The problem with England is we only have about five top quality players. The rest are average to good at best.

Anyone for a GB side again?

Disagree. Thought we were the better team until their dodgy call for the try. After that they had plenty more lucky calls. Errors crept in for us in 2nd half but we were in it til the key turning point in the game.

I agree with that.

The kid probably will in a few years, remember his age.

Yes, it'll be a big help to our chances bringing all those Irish, Scots and Welshmen.



I do prefer the Great Britain name though.

tell me what the point would be in rebranding as great britain as it woundt change the team at all, keep to individual countries and play as great britain once every 2-3 years playing in a ashes series against the aussies.

Is that the answer get a foreigner to run our national team, England should be played by English, and managed by English.

I never realised Nick Griffin posted on these boards

Its called English pride. You ever heard of it. Nothing to do with that fat idiot Griffin.

Exactly, there's no need for the clubs to develop the players further. We make players good enough for SL and that's it, until the competition gets better we'll go nowhere internationally.
IMO we need more of our players going to Oz, but not many will. They'd rather stay here and have glittering careers in a sub-standard league than go test themselves against the best in the world. I've got a lot of respect for players like Morley, Ellis & Burgess giving it a go.

Are you not from Jersey?

Is Tom Briscoe always this poor? He was at fault for 2 tries today and has no work rate whatsoever. He needs to get involved far more and actually do something because he may as well have not been on the pitch today. I always thought that he was a promising young player but he was very poor today and last week.

Too many over the hill, or never even got to the top of the hill, over seas players in the British Game. Too many poor coaches from under 6's through to teh pro game. Too much emphasis on kids winning instead of developing skills. It's just like the English football team

No I am from Hull, born there played for hull FC, I work in Jersey. I just have the opinion that win or lose England should have English players and staff

Without wishing to get drawn into a handbags type discussion, that's a bit like asking "Is Sam Tomkins always this poor?" Briscoe was poor today, but if he played like that every week, he wouldn't have been playing today. Have another look at the contributions of superstar Wigan pivots Tomkins and O'Loughlin and come back, love.

He doesn't seem to have brought his end of season club form to the international stage, he seems to run the ball alot more out of dummy half for Hull and get offloads away.

Briscoe was so bad he almost made goulding look average

I agree they were poor, you will get no arguments from me there.

With Briscoe it is not just the fact that he has been poor, it is his lack of work rate and general effort what concerns me more, for a winger 3 runs today is a disgrace.

Which makes me think its tactical that he doesnt do the same work rate