Our players are far too lazy to get up off the floor. Only O'Meley, Linham and Tickle i can actually remember trying to get up quickly. Briscoe fannies about getting tangled up to win penalties, Watts gets turned on his back far too easily and Lynch is like an old man with a slipped disc

Ellis always fights to get on his feet for a quick ptb.

It does not matter how we think he is doing the stats prove things are not right at FC. We lose at Cats and thats season end in reality and another season fades into the past on a sour note. Season pass sales will fall liek a stone next season the newby fans we have picked up since we moved to the KC will continue to drift away.

I always stated this season was make or break for FC and Adam is going to have to pull something massive off, player wise to come even close to the dissapointment factor now rising yet again on the terraces.

Gentle has already admitted there is a problem behind the scenes and for that admission alone I think he has lost some of the players confidence.

Perhaps its an Aussie v Brit faction................

More on the coaching/management side than the players I'm led to believe.

I doubt the club are in a position to do this due to player availability or salary cap, IF Gentle is still in post pre-season,
How will the club sell its season passes to remain,at previous season sales?

Its a massive 6 weeks ahead for Peter Gentle's future at Hull FC, Pearson said he wouldnt accept mediocrity.

If true haven't we been here before with the old player power issue raising its ugly head. No matter what you think of Gentle and his ability, when a club appoints a manager they are the only thing that matters when deciding how to play and how to manage. If the players have an issue I would rather they toe the line and have respect for seniority and put a shift in during training and games. These issues always resolve themselves any way, it would be ridiculous to not expect Adam Pearson to have an understanding of issues going on, and when the time is right he will take the appropriate action.

I think he's hinting at a McRae/Gentle issue, rather than 'player power'.

If this is the case it shouldn't be effecting the players, it is a Gentle / McRae issue. By letting it effect them they are indirectly displaying player power. Does this mean they prefer McRae to Gentle as the way they are going they will get Gentle the sack. That's not exactly backing a manager they believe in.

Wouldn't disagree.
Players are employees and should get on with what their paid to do.
Maybe too many chiefs are spoiling the broth, don't know?
One things for sure, a winning team makes a happier club.
I don't wanna see PG go, continuity is always preferable and more rewarding than chopping and changing but we've got to start improving on the island (EXPRO

) or things will only deteriorate.

Agree, I don't want to see Gentle go as I can see potential in him. A lot of people were quick to put the improvement on the return of Ellis and Andy Hay going. But has Gentle taken on to much, does he need more experience or an assistant to bounce ideas off. Have the players lost a middle man they could discuss issues with when Hay went.

I dunno, as I'm not making any claims that there is a problem. If there was though, it would be a little simplistic to say it couldn't/shouldn't affect the players.

Agree about it being simplistic, lots of different issues affect people differently in a work environment. However, this isn't the first time we have been here. It's the teams we get beat by and the way we play in certain games that suggests to me a less than professional attitude within the club. Regardless of what has been done recently to weed out these issues.

We're nearly two years into Gentles tenure and yet the same failings are still there. As i said yesyerday this job is too big for Gentle and its time somebody realised that and employed a man with experience who can cope with the pressure and control the players as well as someone who demands respect. Who this is i dont know but it isnt Gentle im afraid to say

when the job was available, i stated we should have gone for daniel anderson....
experienced, respected, top coach

How relevant is that? We wasn't a massive club at the back end era of the Boulevard, but since then we have been awarded a grade A license, and have improved our fanbase significantly. We have a fantastic fanbase now - it's immaterial what it was over 10 years ago. If you wanna drudge up irrelevant history, we got 28,798 into boulevard in 1936. We have always, and will always have superior crowd numbers to Hull KR.

Not sure I agree about Gentle not handling the pressure. Seems very assured to me at keeping calm and level headed and thinking long term. You could argue that he comes across as to laid back.

Well when there's next a vacancy I'll get AP to give you a ring so you can give him some advice.

Oh for Sammy Moa back. He led the way in this respect.

As far as Aggression going forward we really do miss Moa and Manu... I said we need to replace them in the off season but the optimists among us kept saying 'In Gentle we trust' - We don't see much of that recently!

There was very little available though.

I have said on another thread that I trust in Gentle to improve this club and make it one that challenges. It doesn't alter the fact that Moa was superb at getting a quick ptb and hopefully Paea will do the same . Lynch is an outstanding prop in my view and has taken too much stick in isolation this season. He needs props of O Meley/Paea/Moa type to play alongside and I hope we sign another for 2014.

Not seeing Lynch getting in stick in isolation, personally. Pretty much all of our props have been criticised this season, with the exception of O'Meley, and justifiably so for all of them.

Anyone who thinks you can make a championship winning team in two seasons is quite frankly brain dead. Before people point out Madge at Wigan, he took over a team that was 80 minutes away from a grand final and who had a core of players who had played together for 3/4 seasons.

Whilst I am deeply frustrated at the recent run of form I still firmly believe we are building a decent team. Its part of life that some signings will cut it and others wont but its through trial and error you can correct this. We have invested in some good young players, got some experience and now its all about fine tuning. The pack needs addressing and we have already started recruiting for it next season in signing a good player in Micky P from Rovers.

If people didn't get so carried away when we win a game they won't get really upset when we lose a couple.

When Gentle took over we had a mass of problems, no kicking game, no scrum half, no youth players coming through the ranks and win a play off game for the first time in years. Gentle has brought all these and whilst results don't look too pretty recently we are under his leadership going in the right direction.

Sure we are going to have to be patient, but thats life thats sport.

Fine by me - I think he's recently become the Galea of the front row but you disagree - no problem. Many posts are about Lynch not doing the job this season and far fewer are about Watts, Green, Bowden and Johnson so I'll stand by my claim. One thing you'll never get from Lynch IMO is less than 110% effort (sometimes it's his downfall) and in times like this those are the players that will ultimately bring us through short term pain. A few things have let him down this year but his stats will show not much difference to last year come October.