I think it has to be a clean sweep this time. New top man and his own choice of backroom staff.

It seems to be a recurring theme every time we win one match out of 3. Just wish we could have had all our losses to date this season at the beginning then we wouldn't be having this debate and Nobby would be at the helm. Surely...

It's funny, isn't it, how people views change as the situation increases in desperateness. When his name was first mooted at the beginning of the season most derided it and said we should be aiming higher, Nobby was "poor" not what we need. Only a World Class coach would do.

Now he's an all-encompassing genius who we must have at all costs before Leeds get their horns in him.

The truth is probably as usual somewhere in the middle. I'm sure Wigan would say he was average compared to McGuire, Crusaders would say good compared to Dixon, and we'd say very good compared to Agar...

Any way, we need him. Now.

I never said that, and I don't recall too many others saying it either. Of course, if 'most' said it, you'll be able to point to several posts containing those sentiments.



I never said that, and I don't recall too many others saying it either. I said he was a 'very good' coach who could get us to the level where we are able to compete with the top teams. I even expressed some reservation as to whether he was the man to lead us to silverware.



You don't say? Like I (and several others) have said all along. That you imagined otherwise doesn't change that.



Wigan would say average? I don't think so. He laid the groundwork for what McGuire is achieving now. If you don't believe me, ask McGuire. He lead Crusaders to their first ever top 8 finish and they've dropped right back since he left. I think they might just hold him in high regard, too.



Him, or someone like him, yes.

I've changed my avatar back, in full support of this sentiment.

Whichever way you slice it,this season is a no,no.The only good thing being there is no relegation,otherwise we would be crapping ourselves.

I really wish there was relegation then then board would do something now instead of waiting until Agars contract expires

You do agree it's time for him to go though don't you wolfs?

There's nothing to stop them coming out and admitting things are unacceptable and need to improve though. It's the fact they're seemingly ignoring it that annoys the fans. Didn't the SKY commentators say that hudgell had written a piece to that effect in the dobbins programme for the leeds match?

just watched the "highlights"

jesus christ we are bad

Sad thing is it's important to them for all the wrong reasons

I think people are saying that the board would see it as vindication for keeping agar, not that they believe agar should stay just for winning the derby

You think noble would work under agar?

Well,as no other ferker is,I guess the answer is ,no.

how is a noble or hasler gunna make the likes of horne yeaman whiting long fitz dowes radford the list is endless any better ? this squad 5 years ago would have won sl...unfortunatly we are 5 years too late

Fair comment, maybe they need to change their spin to keep more fans happy - if that's possible any more. But if Hudge did say those things it doesn't mean they're doing more than our board is behind the scenes to rectify things...however you're completely right at least it gives them some semblance of credibility that they're in step with the fans and that they're all in it together.

how would maguire take a wigan side that finished mid table for a few yyears with a squad thats not really any better then yours to dominant champions, same said with nathan brown at hudds.

better players at those clubs mate

Lordy - I never attributed either statement to either of us. I was speaking generally using extremes to illustrate the point. There is no doubt, though, that reaction when Nobles name was first mentioned a couple on months ago was less than lukewarm. It isn't now.

From what I see we agree on our views of Noble, his achievements over the last few years and what he can offer us. No animosity needed then.

When Smith went to Wire he assumed the title Director of Coaching. Lowes retained his of First Team Coach.

Something similar could be engineered at Hull, surely, to keep everyone happy?

It just shows how bad things have got when a defeat by Rovers could do us a favour. Would a Rovers spanking be enough to get rid of Agar? Agree with the sentiment that relegation would wake the 'board', they're like rabbits in the headlights.

See numerous examples on this thread and others on how Noble, Smith, McGuire et al have done exactly this with other inherited squads. We have a good squad with a coach that doesn't know how to develop or get the best out of them.

Looking from the other angle, how different is Graeme Horne as a player after two years under Brown at Hudds? First team regular, highly regarded. Completely stagnant under Agar at Hull.

I may have slightly black and white tinted glasses but I think a good coach would relish the opportunity to take the reins with the current Hull FC squad. Aside from all the off field strength with money available for transfers, full cap, etc I think we have some quality players simply not playing to their potential both as individuals and more importantly as a team.