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| Quote ="garry brindley"You were having a bit of a pop mate. I'm not going to go into =#80BFBFthis again cos it's been done on other threads but it's not as if I'm rooting for our opposition. All I'll say is to think about what is better for the long-term future of the club, beating Crusaders on Friday and buying Agar more time, or losing to them and the potential to force change that that has. It's just pragmatism and you don't have to agree with it, but it's far from unreasonable.'" I just thought it was a bit extreme and over the top but everyone to their own.
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| Quote ="pokerface"Maybe so but it is still 'dead money' which is poor business.'"
Is it?
What if spending that money on the current coach is detrimental to income?
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| Quote ="Kosh"People said the same about Agar and Sharpe.'"
rule and hetherington?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Is it?
What if spending that money on the current coach is detrimental to income?'"
How is paying his wages detrimental to income? The board will have a set budget for wages in their P&L report of which paying 1 head coach is a part of. So if they sacked him then signed a new coach, which they will probably pay a signing on fee as well as the new coachs wages, then that falls outside of the budget.
Its not as easy as 'the fans are peeved off so let's get rid' many things would have to be taken into account from a financial view. As if the above happened something else would have to be sacrifised.
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| Quote ="pokerface"How is paying his wages detrimental to income? The board will have a set budget for wages in their P&L report of which paying 1 head coach is a part of. So if they sacked him then signed a new coach, which they will probably pay a signing on fee as well as the new coachs wages, then that falls outside of the budget.
Its not as easy as 'the fans are peeved off so let's get rid' many things would have to be taken into account from a financial view.[u As if the above happened something else would have to be sacrifised[/u.'"
OK, we are prepared to sacrifice Kath then
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| Quote ="pokerface"How is paying his wages detrimental to income? The board will have a set budget for wages in their P&L report of which paying 1 head coach is a part of. So if they sacked him then signed a new coach, which they will probably pay a signing on fee as well as the new coachs wages, then that falls outside of the budget.
Its not as easy as 'the fans are peeved off so let's get rid' many things would have to be taken into account from a financial view. As if the above happened something else would have to be sacrifised.'"
It's detrimental because current income is less than it should be and likely to fall again
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| Quote ="pokerface"How is paying his wages detrimental to income? The board will have a set budget for wages in their P&L report of which paying 1 head coach is a part of. So if they sacked him then signed a new coach, which they will probably pay a signing on fee as well as the new coachs wages, then that falls outside of the budget.
Its not as easy as 'the fans are peeved off so let's get rid' many things would have to be taken into account from a financial view. As if the above happened something else would have to be sacrifised.'"
I would hope there would be something in the budget for "contingencies".
I also hope the club will have reserves which it can call on if needed.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It's detrimental because current income is less than it should be and likely to fall again'"
It is hard to say it is less than it should be unless you know what the GPC target for this season is.
And even if it was the club wont/can't blame the coach for that. The only way he would be considered is if the every pass had refused to renew or buy one for the current season.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"I would hope there would be something in the budget for "contingencies".
I also hope the club will have reserves which it can call on if needed.'"
It will have reserves but they won't be included in the budget. That will be money put to one side for emergencies.
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| Quote ="pokerface"It will have reserves but they won't be included in the budget. That will be money put to one side for emergencies.'"
Emergencies such as the need to replace the Head Coach mid-season?
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"Emergencies such as the need to replace the Head Coach mid-season?'"
No a real emergency along the lines of the club have a libel matter and need to pay legal fees.
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| Quote ="pokerface"It is hard to say it is less than it should be unless you know what the GPC target for this season is.
And even if it was the club wont/can't blame the coach for that. The only way he would be considered is if the every pass had refused to renew or buy one for the current season.'"
You're trying to make this more complicated than it actually is. At least we are some way down the road to removing our discount shelf coach, yours has only just been installed
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| Quote ="pokerface"It will have reserves but they won't be included in the budget. That will be money put to one side for emergencies.'"
It's easy to say it's less than it could be like the game against your lot which was attended by 3700 less fans than the corresponding fixture last year
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It's easy to say it's less than it could be like the game against your lot which was attended by 3700 less fans than the corresponding fixture last year'"
That is 1 attendance figure, which again the coach can not be put to blame, the game was on sky on a cold evening and we didn't bring the amount we ususally would.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"You're trying to make this more complicated than it actually is. At least we are some way down the road to removing our discount shelf coach, yours has only just been installed
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I'm not personally making it complicated, I'm just pointing out some of the finer details which people either don't understand or choose to ignore.
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| Quote ="pokerface"I'm not personally making it complicated, I'm just pointing out some of the finer details which people either don't understand or choose to ignore.'"
Oh I understand where you're coming from, and lord knows our board are experts at absolving the coach from blame for all manner of things. But providing they are looking at the whole picture, there will come a point in this situation where it becomes apparent to the board that paying off the remaining time on Agar's contract is the most financially prudent thing to do.
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| Quote ="pokerface"That is 1 attendance figure, which again the coach can not be put to blame, the game was on sky on a cold evening and we didn't bring the amount we ususally would.'"
12500 for our opening game of the season against leeds is extremely low irrespective of teh weather, sky and the slightly lower tahn average leeds following. How do you know it's not due to the coach? Plenty of people in the east stand were moaning about agar. Posters on here not going due to agar
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| Whilst i fully respect everyone's choice to attend a game or not, i hope those who stay away on Friday are kicking themselves come 10pm...............come on hullllllllah!!!
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| Quote ="juryman"Whilst i fully respect everyone's choice to attend a game or not, i hope those who stay away on Friday are kicking themselves come 10pm...............come on hullllllllah!!!'"
Because we may beat Crusaders...Yippeeee!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Because we may beat Crusaders...Yippeeee!
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In the current climate a wins a win, would you rather stay winless till Easter then beat Rovers !!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Because we may beat Crusaders...Yippeeee!
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Depends how we win TBH. If we play poorly and scrape a win then not much to celebrate, but if we play well and win comfortably then maybe some light at the end of the tunnel.
And no, I'm not expecting the latter either...
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| Quote ="juryman"In the current climate a wins a win, would you rather stay winless till Easter then beat Rovers !!'"
In the current climate?.... you mean we have only won 3 out of the last 11 games, Dobbins, Quins & Crusaders so based on that a win on Friday against Crusaders is wonderful and if you miss it you will kick yourself.
Why would I rather lose every game but beat Rovers at Easter I would rather beat a quality side like Wigan or Warrington
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| Quote ="Kosh"Depends how we win TBH. If we play poorly and scrape a win then not much to celebrate, but if we play well and win comfortably then maybe some light at the end of the tunnel.
And no, I'm not expecting the latter either...
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Not even the win for me, if we played and it was exciting that would be enough.
I find Crusaders very exciting and unpredictable, we need to hope they make as many errors as they did this week because if their stuff comes off we are in trouble, they enjoy expansive rugby.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"12500 for our opening game of the season against leeds is extremely low irrespective of teh weather, sky and the slightly lower tahn average leeds following. How do you know it's not due to the coach? Plenty of people in the east stand were moaning about agar. Posters on here not going due to agar'"
I don't if it has anything to do with Agar or the above mentioned factors but I do know it will be a combination of things rather than 1 persons influence.
People will moan as long as their team is doing poor that's life and its easy to post here saying I'm not attending to fit in with majority but I bet some of them still go.
What if you did the unexpected and win your next 7 games, would you still be venting your anger at a 'scape goat' (beacause that's all Agar is at the moment) or thinking your in with a chance of a top 6?
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| Quote ="pokerface"
What if you did the unexpected and win your next 7 games, would you still be venting your anger at a 'scape goat' (beacause that's all Agar is at the moment) or thinking your in with a chance of a top 6?'"
So the guy that's been Head Coach for three years is merely a 'scapegoat' for the team underperforming. That's hilarious, do you know Expro?
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