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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"He did get you to a SL semi final with a very average squad.
You have a habit of rewriting history Keith.'"
Not at all. Everything I said was true. We got to the semifinals despite the three poor signings. The incident with BT came in his second year the semi final was in the first. I was responding to the statement that TS made good signings and offloaded players who did not fit into the culture. The three were not good signings and BT obviously did not fit into the culture of the club. As usual you choose to ignore the context of the discussion so you can make your silly snide remark
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| Quote ="mwindass"I just don't get why most fans are painting him out to be a failure, which he wasn't.
I get the animosity towards him after his exit. But most Rovers fans have spent the last few months saying you've moved on from him.
It'll make that first derby extra spicy at least
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He definitely wasn’t a failure. I’d be entirely comfortable calling his time at Rovers an equivocal success.
He misjudged his leaving announcement, imo, but I’ve got no animosity to him at all - I don’t think the decision itself was wrong, in any sense. There’s a few things where, if he talks about what he wants to do at Hull in some specific different ways to how he talked about Rovers, it’ll pee me off a bit - even acknowledging these are different clubs in somewhat different situations.
I expect he’ll give Hull a boost, and he carries enough weight to sort out some of the perceived attitude problems that have been claimed to afflict your club for a while. There are some potential downsides, but there are always are with any appointment. He looks like a good option and he’s probably the best immediately available option.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Not at all. Everything I said was true. We got to the semifinals despite the three poor signings. The incident with BT came in his second year the semi final was in the first. I was responding to the statement that TS made good signings and offloaded players who did not fit into the culture. The three were not good signings and BT obviously did not fit into the culture of the club. As usual you choose to ignore the context of the discussion so you can make your silly snide remark'"
Do you think Tony Smith is a top class SL coach who has improved every team he has been involved with including Rovers?
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| Quote ="Chris71"Thorman for whatever reason (maybe just too big a club and pressure)was truly awful as a player in his time at Hull but as a player elsewhere he was more than decent. He certainly possesses a decent rugby brain though whether he is experienced or hard enough to be be able to deal with players like ours I'm unsure as it isn't going to be pretty if the law is laid down from day one as it should be. His coaching record doesn't seem to set the world alight either to suggest we can expect great things.
Wonder what Danny Orr is doing?'"
If Smith comes in and its odds on he will he will want to work with someone he knows and trusts as his assistant.
My only concern now is we are playing catchup with regards to recruitment with our second row particularly weak.
Getting rid of Taylor and Griffin should be a priority for Smith once he is confirmed, and if we can offload Evans it would give us another overseas slot as we surely can do better than Evans .
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| Quote ="bonaire"If Smith comes in and its odds on he will he will want to work with someone he knows and trusts as his assistant.
My only concern now is we are playing catchup with regards to recruitment with our second row particularly weak.
Getting rid of Taylor and Griffin should be a priority for Smith once he is confirmed, and if we can offload Evans it would give us another overseas slot as we surely can do better than Evans .'"
I'm willing to give Evans one more chance, he has looked good in patches but had a very stop start season with bans and injuries.
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| Quote ="bonaire"If Smith comes in and its odds on he will he will want to work with someone he knows and trusts as his assistant.
My only concern now is we are playing catchup with regards to recruitment with our second row particularly weak.
Getting rid of Taylor and Griffin should be a priority for Smith once he is confirmed, and if we can offload Evans it would give us another overseas slot as we surely can do better than Evans .'"
Easier said than done when under contract and no takers. Pearson surely cannot pay them all off.
We may have to keep them and hope the new coach can get a tune out of them.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"He did get you to a SL semi final with a very average squad.
You have a habit of rewriting history Keith.'"
As a follow up it was good that both Korbin and Albert upped their performances after Mags was put in charge. Korbin unfortunately could not play in the derby due to suspension but Albert had his best game at Rovers in his last match. He terrorised your team and played really big minutes. There is obviously a good player in there TS for some reason was unable to bring the best out of him.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Do you think Tony Smith is a top class SL coach who has improved every team he has been involved with including Rovers?'"
Yes I do. It was only the manner of his resignation that soured the experience.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Easier said than done when under contract and no takers. Pearson surely cannot pay them all off.
We may have to keep them and hope the new coach can get a tune out of them.'"
yes i realise that but you have to look to wheel and deal.Taylor will know what thats all about and Griffin isnt worth a first team place so put him on gardening duty until he agrees to move on.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Quote Yes I do'" . It was only the manner of his resignation that soured the experience.'"
Thank you. That's all I'm interested in.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Thank you. That's all I'm interested in.'"
you sound like a Lawyer
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| Quote ="bonaire"yes i realise that but you have to look to wheel and deal.Taylor will know what thats all about and Quote Griffin isnt worth a first team place so put him on gardening duty until he agrees to move on.'" '"
He's under contract probably on a decent wedge so he why would he move on? Swap deal perhaps?
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| Quote ="bonaire"you sound like a Lawyer'"
I rest my case m'lud.
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(Not suggesting this should happen btw)
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"He's under contract probably on a decent wedge so he why would he move on? Swap deal perhaps?'"
Thos is the problem. The players we'd want moving on are probably our top earners.
They wouldn't get a better deal elsewhere, so might just sit it out until the contract runs down.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Thank you. That's all I'm interested in.'"
Yes you should be interested. TS demonstrated a personality flaw, not for the first time. I wonder if it will be reappear again.
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| Quote ="mwindass"Does everyone get a clean slate under the new coach?
(Not suggesting this should happen btw)'"
I know what you mean. If we are unable to move on the players who have underperformed we may not have a choice.
It sometimes happens in sport when a new boss comes in the not only the team but individuals suddenly improve.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Yes I do. It was only the manner of his resignation that soured the experience.'"
Maybe find out why he and Lakin could barely tolerate being in the same room as each other then.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Maybe find out why he and Lakin could barely tolerate being in the same room as each other then.'"
TS could not accept not getting his own way.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Yes you should be interested. TS demonstrated a personality flaw, not for the first time. I wonder if it will be reappear again.'"
Do you know exactly why he announced he was leaving or just following the party line?
A personality flaw. Are you a qualified psychologist?
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| Quote ="Keiththered"TS could not accept not getting his own way.'"
His way could have been the right way. After all you were in a very good place at the time.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"His way could have been the right way. After all you were in a very good place at the time.'"
It was outside his terms of employment. There are many reasons a particular course of action may not be taken. Finance, lack of other resources, company policy etc. all employees have to accept the limits of their position. He also fell out with Mags which is strange as he was instrumental in TS joining the club. Do you see a pattern developing here?
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| Quote ="mwindass"Does everyone get a clean slate under the new coach?
(Not suggesting this should happen btw)'"
Not for me, the way certain individuals have performed and conducted themselves in recent seasons is unforgivable, one in particular should count himself lucky he got given a ridiculous 5 year deal.
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| Quote ="bonaire"doesnt matter who we bring in because unless we sign a big mobile second row and front row we still have a very weak squad.
Key for me is binning Taylor,Griffin and hopefully Evans which would give us some ability to move in the market'"
Warrington are doing a deal on props at the minute. Take 1 and get 4 free.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"It was outside his terms of employment. There are many reasons a particular course of action may not be taken. Finance, lack of other resources, company policy etc. all employees have to accept the limits of their position. He also fell out with Mags which is strange as he was instrumental in TS joining the club. Do you see a pattern developing here?'"
Why you so bothered ? If he is bad news it must delight you we are talking to him surely !
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