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| When you get sacked on the spot,dont talk about it,and dont appeal it,you haven't forgot to put sugar in allams tea.Iam sure somebody in your position wilf can enlighten us all,so we dont get the wrong impression.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Realistically, what would you (or Jake) want the council to do? Unless some knight in shining armour gives them an option, the most they can manage is a bit of sabre-rattling on your behalf, IMO. The little difference that is likely to make would be as likely to be bad as good.'"
IIRC if there were evidence of breach of terms of either the head lease or sub tenancy arrangements, investigations can be brought into play to review SLAs and so on, forensic audit of the SMC's accounts. Whether that's happened and/or if it's not clear-cut, the reality is that the relationship between the council and the SMC is in the ter. As you allude to it'd be like throwing petrol on a bonfire the council don't have the resources or stomach to marshal. This is the latest in a long line of incremental pieces of damage to our club, however. Individually small, cumulatively damaging. A great sporting philanthropist with the privilege of running the stadium of the city's two biggest fanbases - you'd imagine optimising utilisation and attendances for both clubs would be a priority. Unless you have a vested interest in one of them, in which case the council dropped a bollock to start with. Oh, wait..
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| Quote ="listener"Yet another ridiculous right wing response from you. Cue yet another sarcastic reply.'"
Right wing response? Is that because hull city council is labour or because they're spineless?
Are you some tree hugging leftie?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"IIRC if there were evidence of breach of terms of either the head lease or sub tenancy arrangements, investigations can be brought into play to review SLAs and so on, forensic audit of the SMC's accounts. Whether that's happened and/or if it's not clear-cut, the reality is that the relationship between the council and the SMC is in the ter. As you allude to it'd be like throwing petrol on a bonfire the council don't have the resources or stomach to marshal. This is the latest in a long line of incremental pieces of damage to our club, however. Individually small, cumulatively damaging. A great sporting philanthropist with the privilege of running the stadium of the city's two biggest fanbases - you'd imagine optimising utilisation and attendances for both clubs would be a priority. Unless you have a vested interest in one of them, in which case the council dropped a bollock to start with. Oh, wait..'"
Aye.
The big question is whether or not running that stadium is an expensive privilege. If it is then the council have to outsource the power with the responsibility, or take it on themselves.
I'm not defending Allam's use of that power, but if the SMC is running a real loss on Hull FC games and can save money by not opening a stand, without breaching their contract with the club, I can see why Allam would make that a priority. A 3 sided KC still provides ample capacity, tbf.
I think ultimately, if the smc genuinely is loss making, a new settlement will have to be reached at some point. What exactly that would be, I'm not sure - but we're unlikely to see it while Allam is on the scene.
If SMC accounts paint an unrealistically bleak picture, the council's hand is obviously much stronger.
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| Quote ="Drew peacock"When you get sacked on the spot,dont talk about it,and dont appeal it,you haven't forgot to put sugar in allams tea.Iam sure somebody in your position wilf can enlighten us all,so we dont get the wrong impression.'"
Don't appeal it...what a crock of 5hit
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Don't appeal it...what a crock of 5hit'"
If you get sacked on the spot unfairly,you appeal it,pearson didnt so he must have deserved it.Wilf would no doubt know the reason thats why I asked,saves all the speculation,but whatever it was allam isnt going to forget it hence him giving us a tough time.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Aye.
The big question is whether or not running that stadium is an expensive privilege. If it is then the council have to outsource the power with the responsibility, or take it on themselves.
I'm not defending Allam's use of that power, but if the SMC is running a real loss on Hull FC games and can save money by not opening a stand, without breaching their contract with the club, I can see why Allam would make that a priority. A 3 sided KC still provides ample capacity, tbf.
I think ultimately, if the smc genuinely is loss making, a new settlement will have to be reached at some point. What exactly that would be, I'm not sure - but we're unlikely to see it while Allam is on the scene.
If SMC accounts paint an unrealistically bleak picture, the council's hand is obviously much stronger.'"
If the Allams/SMC had approached HullFC about closing the North stand for 2015, and moving fans to the new away area in the East Stand before our season tickets went on sale, I'd say that most fans would be understanding. Especially as the East/North corner is unreserved for FC games and you can argue that having the small number of away fans we get at the KC nearer the home fans might improve the atmosphere.
however if its true that this issue has just come to light, a good couple of months after passes have gone on sale, it yet again smacks of being a petty move intended to cause disruption.
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| Quote ="Drew peacock"When you get sacked on the spot,dont talk about it,and dont appeal it,you haven't forgot to put sugar in allams tea.Iam sure somebody in your position wilf can enlighten us all,so we dont get the wrong impression.'"
Pearson sued Allam and the case was settled at a mediation. The settlement was subject to a confidentiality agreement.
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Quote ="Drew peacock"If you get sacked on the spot unfairly,[uyou appeal it,pearson didnt so he must have deserved it[/u.Wilf would no doubt know the reason thats why I asked,saves all the speculation,but whatever it was allam isnt going to forget it hence him giving us a tough time.'"
"Mr Allam insists.. their dispute with Pearson was settled amicably, and in a "more than a fair" manner."
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Never mind Andrew.
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"Mr Allam insists.. their dispute with Pearson was settled amicably, and in a "more than a fair" manner."
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html
Never mind Andrew.
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Thanks for that,appreciated.
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Thanks for that,appreciated.
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| It would now appear that 'should there be any truth in these rumours' then after 'discussions' this morning apparently any issues there might have been regarding the North Stand has been resolved, sense has prevailed, an agreement reached and all the ground will now be open for all games in our 150th year! Oh and of course some folks will deny there was ever even an issue in the first place!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"It would now appear that 'should there be any truth in these rumours' then after 'discussions' this morning apparently any issues there might have been regarding the North Stand has been resolved, sense has prevailed, an agreement reached and all the ground will now be open for all games in our 150th year! Oh and of course some folks will deny there was ever even an issue in the first place!
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i wonder if there was any police persuadement? cant imagine they would be happy with leeds, wigan, saints, wire fans a bottle throw away from the fc fans
not for one moment am i suggesting any set of fans would cause trouble, but that could be the way the police view things
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"It would now appear that 'should there be any truth in these rumours' then after 'discussions' this morning apparently any issues there might have been regarding the North Stand has been resolved, sense has prevailed, an agreement reached and all the ground will now be open for all games in our 150th year! Oh and of course some folks will deny there was ever even an issue in the first place!
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Good news it's been sorted.
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| Quote ="Drew peacock"If you get sacked on the spot unfairly,you appeal it,pearson didnt so he must have deserved it.Wilf would no doubt know the reason thats why I asked,saves all the speculation,but whatever it was allam isnt going to forget it hence him giving us a tough time.'"
Want it to do with the sacking of barmby
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| Quote ="Drew peacock"If you get sacked on the spot unfairly,you appeal it,pearson didnt so he must have deserved it.Wilf would no doubt know the reason thats why I asked,saves all the speculation,but whatever it was allam isnt going to forget it hence him giving us a tough time.'"
You're funny. Sacked? Pearson was a self-employed consultant. Who kindly agreed to settle out of court.
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| Allam's at it again, stirring it up with the council about who owns the SMC. The sooner this madmen sells up and leaves our sporting clubs alone the better.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Allam's at it again, stirring it up with the council about who owns the SMC. The sooner this madmen sells up and leaves our sporting clubs alone the better.'"
Sounds like another attempt at getting the stadium to me. It basically say the stadium is mine, HCC have no legal right to anything to do with it. FC make losses, City make money, I fund the losses so just give it to me
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Sounds like another attempt at getting the stadium to me. It basically say the stadium is mine, HCC have no legal right to anything to do with it. FC make losses, City make money, I fund the losses so just give it to me'"
Spot on Seb of co it is and the HDM are loving it its funny how they dont challenge him on the running of the SMC like lack of big events concerts etc.. its was all well when we had bigger crowds and the profits that were made from our club we are just being used as a tool in Allams quest for ownership of the stadium.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Sounds like another attempt at getting the stadium to me. It basically say the stadium is mine, HCC have no legal right to anything to do with it. FC make losses, City make money, I fund the losses so just give it to me'"
Thats a reasonable assessment of the article.
However, what Allam fails to mentions is the SMC is exactly that, a stadium MANAGEMENT company.
The SMC doesn't own the stadium either. Whats is of more concern to me is the lack of involvement the legal owners of the stadium have shown (publicly) in an asset of theirs which is being run at a loss since Allam took charge.
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| This move by Allam is quite serious as he is basically stating that the council have no jurisdiction over the stadium. Dr "Allarm " has always been pushing the barriers back, the stadium is being run down very few people other then the two clubs use it now. He has done various little stunts against FC over the past few years and clearly wants us out.
This will continue until such times as he either, moves on or we do ...................
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| Bad result for City today, not in the drop zone but an unlikely win for Villa tomorrow would drop them down to 17th. Have any credible buyers come forward yet?
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| If City go down to the championship surely the value of the club will decrease from 70 million allem allegedly wants for the club, maybe a good thing for us if they do
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| Quote ="number 6"If City go down to the championship surely the value of the club will decrease from 70 million allem allegedly wants for the club, maybe a good thing for us if they do'"
All depends on who the purchaser would be and whether ownership of the SMC would be part of the deal.
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| Quote ="number 6"If City go down to the championship surely the value of the club will decrease from 70 million allem allegedly wants for the club, maybe a good thing for us if they do'"
If they go down he'll take whatever offer he can get, as their wage bill is now massive, and even if they have been sensible and worked in some reductions in to the players contracts its a massive gulf between the Championship and Premier League now.
its odd that on paper they've probably got the best amount of football talent they've ever had, but it just isn't gelling and getting results.
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| Quote ="UllFC"If they go down he'll take whatever offer he can get, as their wage bill is now massive, and even if they have been sensible and worked in some reductions in to the players contracts its a massive gulf between the Championship and Premier League now.
its odd that on paper they've probably got the best amount of football talent they've ever had, but it just isn't gelling and getting results.'"
Squad is too strong to go down IMO but the current position doesn't provide certainty of Premiership tenure to a buyer. Did Allam say he would give the club away tomorrow if the name change wasn't sanctioned. And then say he was only kidding? Hard to keep up.
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