A glowing endorsement, I'm sure.

For me to agree with jake, he must be right.

I'm always right but I did question myself for a nanosecond when I saw you'd agreed with me

Miller has very good potential and I hope he realises it with us. Had no preseason and still adapting to a new club, country and league. Only 20 so will only get better.

Holdsworth I am a fan of but, second half of the season he has been really poor. Needs to stamp his authority on the side more and run the ball more often. He's too predictable at the moment. He needs a pack going forward of course but he needs to be more consistent and take control of the attack.

Agree with that. Not had a great season injury wise though with the extended impact of head injury and the injury he traveled to France to get extra physio on in July.

Exactly what I'm trying to get at. Holdsworth's good when the game's going our way, but when it isn't he seems to do little to help try and change that, and in my opinion he should by one of those we can look to to do so.

Nah, it was a Meli special that did for him.

Look, we just don't agree about any of this so there's no point going back and forth. I don't agree those others also disappear in the same way as Holdsworth, I think you still see them trying to rally their teammates and tell them what they want. I don't agree there isn't a bit more Holdsworth can try. And I haven't said that I think Horne has been leagues ahead of Holdsworth, so I don't understand why you've brought that up with me.

hopefully we can see them both fire a bit more next year, on there day both can be very good, lets just hope there are afew more good days next year,

On their day is no longer enough. The new mantra is to be consistently good, which is quite right IMO.