to me ,we are no better than we have been for the last 5 years.some good performances mixed in with some really poor games against weak opposition away from home.

Red's not bright enough to work that one out.

Wasn't it said we were going with a mobile set of forwards ?. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest our pack is playing to that what so ever.

something isn't working, we arent mobile! were predictable and easy to read! we must be the only team in SL who seem to play like that or want too!

Were simply to slow , Widnes had us on the backfoot for most if not the whole match , And that's worrying . Were no faster team since Kear left .

I think you need to look at the influence of Shaun Macrae - His style of RL set Salford back 10 years. I see the same parallels at the FC.

ffs! mcrae has no input on coaching at the club!

you reds are obssessed with the idea he is!

So, what does he do? Media-whoring aside, of course.

100 % Correct

Just read the last 11 pages and so many don't get it ! It's the same lot that blamed the players under agar.

IT IS THE COACH'S FAULT - simple and to the point

Many great coaches lead very average players to glory , that's how they become GREAT

Making ok into good , good into great and keeping awesome players on their toes and peaking.

Brian Smith 89-91 , Brian was carried across the pitch by FC fans when he left.

Gentle / Cullen /Gentle / Cullen I have been saying this since last year.

2013:

Leeds away -worse than last season
Saints away - worse then last season
Widnes away - given all the hype as bad as last season
Wire home - MUCH MUCH worse than last season
Bulls home - same same

So on that basis HOW is 2013 really going ??????

Does Gentle have a beach house in Manly ?

Think the pressure is on PG and it comes down partly to poor recruiting we havent replaced Moa and Manu in what they brought to the team. We dont seem to have anyone who can break a tackle or has some grunt going forward just seems very predictable.

I think mcrae has the guiding hand on recruitment

Maybe a bit of both, you do wonder who identified Arundel as a man to give a 4 year contract.

However, it appears from what he has said that Gentle identified Jason Crookes who does look a good signing, particularly with Briscoe set to leave.

Andy hay will have been the man to identify Arundel.

Arundel is young, and will take time, he was a top prospect at Cas and he should be given more time, maybe that means out of the first team for a while longer.

BOT and as for Gentle, my concern is more to do with can he get them fired up enough? And not about set pieces and plays, I'm sure they must work hard on those but the players are not delivering.

At times last night it seemed to me (maybe because we were getting battered) that the players had given up and there was nobody to get them by the scruff of the neck and lead them? PG can't do that whilst they are on the pitch.

A good halfback will of course dictate the plays and lead them around the park from a technical point of view, but there can be no substitute for a man out there who leads by example and is prepares to give his own players a rocket when required.

Roy Keane was a good/excellent player, but he was one hell of a captain and leader.

I just dont see that on the pitch and for me is a far bigger issue than PG.

I wonder if Green and Crooks really had knocks? I suspect that because we were paying Widnes that PG thought it was an ideal game to try and use Arundel and Seyour, give them a bit of game time and confidence in an easy win?

An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/

An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/

Quote ="weaver93"An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/'" Nobody should ever take anything LeagueFreak says seriously. On any topic.

Quote ="weaver93"An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/'" Nobody should ever take anything LeagueFreak says seriously. On any topic.

He makes some very good points in that piece.

It'll have been entirely accidental.

We have replaced Moa, Manu and Turner.

We've also "upgraded" a few positions, McDonnell for McKinnon, Crookes for Sharp, Holdsworth for Ellis ect and signed some of our younger stars to longer deals.

Don't get me wrong our performances haven't been good enough but people are looking for problems that aren't there.

Actually, having read it now it's just his usual BS wind-up routine. And he isn't, and never has been, a Hull FC fan as he claims.

Some relevant points by League Freak albeit made in his unique "style". I think/hope the youth development point is being addressed, but the eternal issue about unfulfilled potential resonates.

The major problem here is the club are trying to build confidence in the fanbase of future potential. The number of false dawns since 2006 means the optimism is fragile. Two comprehensive defeats by proper top 4 clubs, and, let's be honest, a total humiliation at Widnes, means that optimism is close to shattering. People are stretched financially and have more compelling options for their cash. Immediate response is needed and there'll be major pressure on this week.

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