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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He does have a point though. Gentle has improved players like Turner and Sharp no end. Sandercock has so far taken Welham from the brink of international selection to being the 4th best centre at Rovers behind Salter and Graeme Horne. Surely you can see it's not funny? Unless you're an FC fan, of course.'"
How can Gentle have done anything with them in such a short space of time? Natural progression, don't kid yourself.
Welham has always been poor in defence, He's no worse under Sandercock - The structures of our defence has changed and he's seen wanting too often, He isn't alone. The hope is that the players work hard and pick it up, this is no fault of Sandercock to have inherited a team of players unable to perform a 1v1 tackle.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He does have a point though. Gentle has improved players like Turner and Sharp no end. Sandercock has so far taken Welham from the brink of international selection to being the 4th best centre at Rovers behind Salter and Graeme Horne. Surely you can see it's not funny? Unless you're an FC fan, of course.'"
The fact is poor old Sandercock has inherited a poor squad, for fcmonk to suggest that hell turn world class players into poor players is absurd, as we all know we don't have any. Welham wouldn't make a test side with Wayne Bennet as his gaffer, as he just can't tackle.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"In other words, you know he is right and you have no actual counter argument.'"
What is he right about?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"In other words, you know he is right and you have no actual counter argument.'"
I don't believe that he is right. I choose to point and laugh at the clinically insane, a counter argument is a waste of time.
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| Quote ="Edith"LOL!'"
The thing is Morgan did the same. He signed some very average players and made them very good players. He got up the noses of Hull fans, but he was a very good coach. Sandercock is a poor coach and the longer he is in charge the more you will struggle
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| It's clear that Sandercock is primarily here to set up youth structures and he's been seen to be working closely with them. I'm not worried, I'd be worried if there was an exodus of players that were seen as valuable to the fans.
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| Quote ="FC MONK"The thing is Morgan did the same. He signed some very average players and made them very good players. He got up the noses of Hull fans, but he was a very good coach. Sandercock is a poor coach and the longer he is in charge the more you will struggle'"
That's your opinion, time will tell I guess, doesn't have anything to do with the initial point I raised though does it.
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| Quote ="FC MONK"The thing is Morgan did the same. He signed some very average players and made them very good players. He got up the noses of Hull fans, but he was a very good coach. Sandercock is a poor coach and the longer he is in charge the more you will struggle'"
Nail on head again. Morgan was a very good coach and could get the best out of his players, just like Gentle can.
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| Quote ="Edith"How can Gentle have done anything with them in such a short space of time? Natural progression, don't kid yourself.
Welham has always been poor in defence, He's no worse under Sandercock - The structures of our defence has changed and he's seen wanting too often, He isn't alone. The hope is that the players work hard and pick it up, this is no fault of Sandercock to have inherited a team of players unable to perform a 1v1 tackle.'"
McGuire took Wigan from mid table to champions in 1 year. It reminds me of when Brian Smith took over. Rover's have got a good side on paper. All you Rovers fans could see from an early stage how poor Agar is, but as a Hull fan I wanted him to succeed, your in the same position. I don't think he will last as long as Agar, your board are more ambitious than our last lot
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| Why are you agreeing with yourself FC Monko? Like I said, Clinically insane.
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| Quote ="Edith"It's clear that Sandercock is primarily here to set up youth structures and he's been seen to be working closely with them. I'm not worried, I'd be worried if there was an exodus of players that were seen as valuable to the fans.'"
Nail on the head. When Rovers first announced his appointment I said if the had employed him as a youth coach it would have been a good move. But head coach don't kid yourself
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| Quote ="Edith"How can Gentle have done anything with them in such a short space of time? Natural progression, don't kid yourself.
Welham has always been poor in defence, He's no worse under Sandercock - The structures of our defence has changed and he's seen wanting too often, He isn't alone. The hope is that the players work hard and pick it up, this is no fault of Sandercock to have inherited a team of players unable to perform a 1v1 tackle.'"
Utter crud.
1) Gentle's been here 7 months. To suggest he's made no impact whatsoever is a bit silly.
2) Welham was on the brink of international selection having been nurtured through by the astute Justin Morgan. Has he demonstrated the natural progression under Sandercock you say we should expect?
3) We all hope players will work hard and improve. Some clubs employ a coach specifically to aid his process.
4) Don't blame the squad. Rovers don't have an excuses culture, only FC do. See my sig for details.
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| Quote ="FC MONK"Nail on the head. When Rovers first announced his appointment I said if the had employed him as a youth coach it would have been a good move. But head coach don't kid yourself'"
You should use a different term to nail on head on this alias or your "yes man" alias, Monko, will be found out.
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| Quote ="Edith"Why are you agreeing with yourself FC Monko? Like I said, Clinically insane.'"
FCMONK and Monko are two different people and usernames on here Edith.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Utter crud.'"
Welham HAS always been a crap tackler at Superleague level, Fox declined from International status to a turnstile/error machine under JM, your argument is flawed. The defence at Rovers was poor under Morgan, It's worse under Sandercock but that's because he has changed the structures, the new structures depend on good 1v1 tackling which under JM, our players seem to have forgotten how to execute.
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| Quote ="Monko"FCMONK and Monko are two different people and usernames on here Edith.
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I understand that they're different username's, different people? No, not buying it.
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| Quote ="Edith"You should use a different term to nail on head on this alias or your "yes man" alias, Monko, will be found out.'"
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| Quote ="Edith"Welham HAS always been a crap tackler at Superleague level, Fox declined from International status to a turnstile/error machine under JM, your argument is flawed. The defence at Rovers was poor under Morgan, It's worse under Sandercock but that's because he has changed the structures, the new structures depend on good 1v1 tackling which under JM, our players seem to have forgotten how to execute.'"
The longer you back him the longer your board will keep him in a job so keep it up PLEASE
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| Quote ="Edith"Welham HAS always been a crap tackler at Superleague level, Fox declined from International status to a turnstile/error machine under JM, your argument is flawed. The defence at Rovers was poor under Morgan, It's worse under Sandercock but that's because he has changed the structures, the new structures depend on good 1v1 tackling which under JM, our players seem to have forgotten how to execute.'"
Fox was never international class. No disrespect to Wakey but he's not good enough for them!
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| Quote ="Monko"Fox was never international class. No disrespect to Wakey but he's not good enough for them!'"
Reminiscing about his two tries at the Galpharm that aided us in beating the Kiwi's (Reigning World Champs at the time) makes me think that you're just being stupid, again. Fox was brilliant.
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| Quote ="Edith"Welham HAS always been a crap tackler at Superleague level, Fox declined from International status to a turnstile/error machine under JM, your argument is flawed. The defence at Rovers was poor under Morgan, It's worse under Sandercock but that's because he has changed the structures, the new structures depend on good 1v1 tackling which under JM, our players seem to have forgotten how to execute.'"
Fox declined because his confidence was eroded by being shown up annually by Tom Briscoe.
Morgan nurtured all Rovers talent. He brought through Taylor, Welham, Cox, Latus, Watts. He transformed Josh Hodgson and Craig Hall. Made SL players of Murrell, Netherton, Colbon. Apart from Hodgson, how many have demonstrated natural progression upwards under Sandercock?
Haven't Rovers U20s lost 8 of their 11 games so far?
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| Quote ="Edith"Reminiscing about his two tries at the Galpharm that aided us in beating the Kiwi's (Reigning World Champs at the time) makes me think that you're just being stupid, again. Fox was brilliant.'"
I'm being stupid Edith. If Fox was brilliant he would have left Rovers on his own accord because Wigan, Leeds or St Helen's signed him. Rovers got rid because he was rubbish and like I said, Fox now plies his trade at Wakefield and not Brisbane.
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| Hull KR have been playing some of their best attacking rugby I've seen for a while, while the defence is letting us down - the majority of games we've lost have been close. At this moment, I'm not worried by Sandercock. We're in a similar position to last season and have been without Green, Galea and Webster for the most part.
Yeah, They have. It's a transitional year for the youth teams, most of them in the 20's are not even 19 yet and a few of the key players have been 'promoted' by being sent out to various other clubs on dual regs.
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| Quote ="Monko"I'm being stupid Edith. If Fox was brilliant he would have left Rovers on his own accord because Wigan, Leeds or St Helen's signed him. Rovers got rid because he was rubbish and like I said, Fox now plies his trade at Wakefield and not Brisbane.'"
He was called up for England on merit and he performed, unlike Tom Briscoe who is widely regarded as 'World Class' by your lot yet has been poor when put on the International stage, he (Fox) then declined rapidly and as you say, Is now plying his trade at WTW.
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| Quote ="Edith"Yeah, They have. It's a transitional year for the youth teams, most of them in the 20's are not even 19 yet and a few of the key players have been 'promoted' by being sent out to various other clubs on dual regs.'"
That's the essence of youth teams, love. If they're only for narrow age groups, they are by definition transitional. In breaking news, teams other than Rovers also have young players on dual regs.
I like Sandercock. Impressive ears and I like that he appreciates the qualities of other teams so loudly and extensively. Generous.
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