thanks for those kind words



as a self-confessed moron who has little experience of RL it seem to me that Mr Phelps did his job and closed Mr Fox down enough to put him off his stride.This,as any one not wearing Black & White will comprehend,unless he or she is a complete cretin,enabled Mr Briscoe to make the tackle to preveny the try.
Mr Briscoe was a beaten man,not his fault,he just had too much to make up on Mr Fox on his own.It's not a crime to be outrun especially when the leading man has such a big start.I can't think of many SL players who would have caught him.
Not a criticism of young Tom,just a plain fact.

never in a million years mate ! can't think of many past or present that would have ?

Now I know for certain that you're just on a wind up.

is it a prerequisite for a mod to be totally clueless about the basics of the game or are you naturally lacking any coomon RL sense ?

Do you naturally confuse your opinion with facts or do you have to work at it?

isn't the whole idea of a forum to air ones opinions ?

Facts are useful to throw around as one wishes but going on what i've seen with my own eyes from very close distance young Tom wouldn't have caught Fox in the time he had available without the Phelps intervention.

just an opinion,that's all.

I agree, Phelps tap slowed Fox's momentum, however Briscoe was as ever remarkable the way he shot across the pitch to be there at the right time.

It was the angle of Phelps' run that caused Fox to slow and change direction not so much the contact he made. What Tom did well was rather than just ran after him from behind he ran inside anticipating Fox would have to cut inside. That was a clever read of the play.

It doesn't get away from the fact that Tom left his wing in the first place and that Phelps got him out of the pickle with good fullback play....he deserves more praise than he is getting!!

Agree with this. In summary, very good play all round.

Phelps should have tackled Fox, poor play from him, lucky for him Briscoe had tracked back.

Thought Phelps had a decent game, needs to improve his one on one defence.

So you've gone from this....


To this.....



You are a cretin.

It was team work between the 2 of them. As it happens I personally think that Phelps did the bare minimum required of the fullback in that situation in that he forced Fox to alter direction and break stride. Had it not been for Briscoe though, Fox would have strolled under the posts for an easy try.

Phelps was coming across and Fox cut inside leaving Phelps wrong=footed...he couldnt have done much more...same for Rovers 1st try.

Will to agree to disagree, other past fullbacks like Prescott, Tony and Gay would have tackled them both though.

Could be worse, I could weave myself a fantasy world where I'm "on the inside" at Hull FC then come on here telling people about it

ok,i'm a cretin,who cares ? but it was Phelps who prevented the try NOT Briscoe by halting Foxs' run thus giving Briscoe the time to mop up - it's not difficult to understand,even to a fellow cretin.

Briscoe mopped up at the end instead of Phelps making the classic tackle - in the end the FC got the right result = they prevented the try with good teamwork,that's what they get paid for,well done

Indeed. But where opinions are presented as fact, or conflict with facts, they should be challenged.


You were at the game? Because if not then you haven't seen anything that everyone else hasn't. Some of us multiple times.

IMO Tom would have reached Fox at or just before Fox hit the try line. Now whether he would have been able to prevent the try from being scored is another matter and TBH I have no idea as there are too many variables involved.

never said I was at the game fellow cretin,but I was on the line at Perpignan for Menzies debarcle (which i'm not supposed to mention) plus had a great view of his inability to catch Blanch as I have boringly repeated many times (yawn)
It's obvious that Briscoe was either : a) carrying an injury thus preventing from catching either of these players or b) doesn't have enough pace at the highest level at this moment in time.
Now this indicated to me that as good as Tom may be,he was never going to be able to catch Fox who is no slouch.e will never know,will we ? The main thing is the try was prevented.

you said 'IMO' Tom would have reached Fox - that's your opinion,not mine - sorry

Simple question for a simpleton...

Which player tackled Fox and by definition prevented the try by preventing Fox from putting the ball down over the try line?

Take your time and try and get it right.

From where I was sat it looked like Phelps came across leaving Fox the outside, at the same time Tom came back inside anticipatiing Fox would also, which for me was a very good read of play and understanding of each other from both Phelps and Tom (in a short period of time).

If you had bothered to 'take your time' and read the posts,it's not a question of who tackled Fox - we all know the bl*****g obvious - the question (paraphrased) is ' if Phelps hadn't have been present would Tom had been able to prevent stop Fox scoring ?'
I say 'NO' because Fox would have made it to the line to touch down before Tom had caught him.If you disagree,then so be it.
It's not a criticism of Tom,just my personal opinion of that particular situation.

Simply answered by the simpleton I hope ? what's your excuse ?

quite right mate - Phelps saw Tom was in trouble so covered and good teamwork prevented the try.Well said that man (or woman).

For a start, why use abuse when I've been nothing but polite to you? For second, as we are discussing the Derby you'll forgive me if I thought that your comment about seeing things up close might have been relevant to what was being discussed.

The Menzies thing is just making you look daft TBH. Despite a 30 metre head start Tom did, in fact, catch Menzies and looking at the replay arguably pushed him into the corner flag before he actually grounded the ball. In the face of these facts you insist on claiming that Menzies 'outpaced' him, which means that either your eyesight is faulty or you don't understand what 'outpaced' means. To be fair to you, mind, Bill Arthur made the same mistake and had to be corrected by one of his co-commentators on Friday.

Your assessments of Briscoe are quite well wide of the mark and couched in language designed to provoke controversy. In my opinion this makes you either daft or on a deliberate wind-up. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt sonny,I feel honoured - now,go back to moderating and leave the serious stuff to the people who actually understand the game.

is this briscoe kid any good then?

nah