Yet Craven Park is the only ground you have sold twice!

Thanks for that input, useless as it was



Anyway back on topic. What do the council get out of owning the KC rather than selling it??

Lets get one thing out in the open the vast majority of KR supporters are salivating and getting all moist because there is a chance they can get rid of our club once and for all.

There has been a long history of them attempting or plotting our demise over the years since the days of our merger and a failed attack by one of there chairmen. There have been other since and it would appear that there whole ambition would be the destruction of our club.

I know of not one instance where our club has taken any action against to the long term detriment to their club. I know some KR uspporters have even contacted there local city councillors urging them to agree the sale.

Sad ..................................

Think you're just being a tad paranoid there Ian.

I think the vast majority of sensible fans (which excludes about 80% of those who post on here) don't want to see the end of either club. A situation has merely arisen where a private buyer has expressed an interest in buying a public asset, something which happens pretty much everyday of the week nationwide.

But not as mute as 25,000 at one of City's fixtures.

Name two that have gone ahead in the last 12 months (and I mean comparable assets)

what ever happens it will not effect the tenure of FC at the stadium!!

Absolute rubbish. I have many good friends who, along with their families, are Hull FC fans. Why would i want Hull to die when it would clearly upset them?
I am sure the over-riding majority of Robins are in the same position so dont tar us with the same brush with a few idiots who may, or may not, have contacted the Council on this issue.

So just Bertie and Easty? Are they still alive btw haven't heard much of them.

Think you've just joined the paranoid club with Ian. Public assets are regularly changing hands as well you know and before you ask no i can't name any.

Provided there were sufficient safegards to Hull's tenancy and that the Allam business plan was sound and the finance in place, it would certainly make sense for HCC to sell imho. That is providing there were to be some relaxation of the accounting rules, something which doesn't look likely to happen in the near future. Like i've said it sems pointless having an asset if it cannot be turned into cash.

Turn it into Rovers v Hull if you like, but i'm not altogether in favour of the plans for CP either.

And GG, you can't name any because, in terms of things such as stadia, museums etc. it happens as often as hen's visit the dentist.

Oh and ankles, didn't he put some thing on the unofficial forum about hoping we'd disappear?

There are many more 'publically owned assets' other than stadia and museums. Everything is for sale if the price is right.

I await your examples with interest.....

For once i totally agree, however i am quite confident that the club has already had its standing in stadium documentation checked thoroughly and should a sale go through we would be safe and sound so for once i agree with you!!
However i doubt very much a sale is even close to being a reality

I have no doubt that the club have had their current documentation checked, but that would be their agreement with the landlord at the time, IF the sale went ahead it would depend on how the transfer of the title was managed, there are ways that any new owner could seek to change the agreement.

But, we must ask ourselves this, even IF the Allams did buy the KC, would they really want to kick out (or make it untennable) for an existing cornerstone tenant (let's not forget that FC's participation was an explicit condition of the whole project getting the go ahead in the first place), as I have said on another thread, where would the Allams raise £80m (which is what they would need), secure against their own personal fortune?

IF, and it's a big IF, they wanted to invest in excess of £100m in a football club, regardless of sentiment, they would not have bought Hull City.

Like you say in todays financial wasteland they would not manage to raise that cash or backing from others for the venture, if HC had been a top 6 premiership side then maybe different however that is not the case and it is fodder for the newspapers and their own personal ego spin but it is fanciful at best !!
Also if they did buy the ground their main backbone of their business is FC so we would be under no threat if anything we would be asked to renegotiate a longer contract for their own security !!!

But they do get 8,000 more than FC against 2nd Division sides.

Imagine that, what with them having comparable sides within..... hang on, only football team in Hull, only just beat combined attendances of both RL sides?

Sport England didn't put a penny in to the KC. After refusing to back a 35,000 stadium they threatened to withhold funding for all of East Yorkshire if a stadium was built over 25,000. This was all down to Trevor Brooking, who said a 15,000 stadium would have been enough ( a figure the likes of Jim Gardner and Vince Groak wanted and what a short-sighted idea that would have been). After it was built sport England reneged saying the money wasn't required. Bob Murray of Sunderland took up the case with the Football Trust who paid the money (which is why Adam Pearson asked Sunderland to play in the opening match). The RFL contributed nothing. And we are only talking £1.5million which is what Sport England were going to contribute, which is a tiny part of the cost. They should have told sport England to get stuffed and built a 35,000 one then which would have hardly cost much more compared to what extending it would cost now. but obviously sport England's threats made them think twice as they would have been facing "Building KC stops grants for kids swimming pool" and similar headlines.

no one doubts that Soccer is a much wider viewed sport than RL in all cities and towns , i bet there are a huge lump of Saints fans at many Liverpool matches however i cant see what the point is?
My point was that should the clubs profile be a top 6 premier side overflowing with international names it makes a much tastier proposition for investors than having to go to a match versus Peterborough or someone similar if you see my meaning (thats no insult to peterborough by the way)

Interesting, i didnt know all of that , is there any links anywhere to more info on this mate??

Indeed, I read that yesterday when I googled KC Stadium funding.

Vince Groak, short sighted, that's generosity!

You mean second division team gets more for visits of second division teams than 2 top flight clubs get for visit of 2 other top flight teams?
Get City back in the Premier League with an extended stadium and then see as on occasion they had 20,000 more applications for tickets than were available.

There was a good article by Trevor Larson, a councillor at the time and involved in the project called "The Green, Green Grass" or something similar. There was a link on Hull City Online at one time but the site has changed since then so I don't know if it is still available.
He had some interesting things to say. Was scathing about the HDM and their negativity.
Apparently Brooking, when asked why 15,000 was enough for Hull but Middlesbrough and Sunderland had just built larger stadiums, was completely unaware that Middlesbrough is half the size of Hull and Sunderland is smaller. Another example of lack of awareness of this city by outsiders. Funniest bit was when a councillor asked Brooking if he didn't remember the last time he had played in Hull? "There was 32,000 there. You lost". There were some very interesting figures about what funding had gone to Sheffield and Leeds and other West Riding based organisations compared to the lack of the same to the East Riding.

Hull FC has a lease and I'm sure the club had legal advice at the time it signed the lease.

The terms of the lease cannot be changed without the club's agreement. Anyone who buys the stadium buys it subject to our lease. Its basic property law.

Also, as Standee implies, if the Allams do buy the stadium, why should they want to deprive themselves of the income streams (rent, food and drink sales etc) generated by Hull FC?