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| I think he is a promising young player who has never let us down when called upon hope he gains some good match experience and game time which will benefit us down the long season ahead, hes not a big earner in our squad and we need good young players like him around our starting 17 pushing for places good luck to him
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Exactly right. He's never going to be an outstanding player but he's a good solid player who does a job for the team.'"
At some point Hadley was in the academy and was himself breaking into the first team, he has done that and as highlighted, has not let the side down.
I do feel th re are a fair few who want to promote some of the younger players (Turgut (spelling)min this example) before they are ready.
On Thursday we saw Masi Matongo make his second first team appearance 18 months after his first. He has been allowed to develop out of the first team spot light and when given his chance on Thursday he did not look out of place. Perhaps th same development plan is in place for Turgut et al?
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| Imo we need players like Hadley in or around the squad. Washy cant go forever and Thompson although gives his all doesn't do it for me. Hope he comes back fit and ready for action from wakey
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| We did this with Leeds for years, take on one of their players, give them experience and then send them back. Shows the strength of the squad at Hull and we win by giving players game time
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| Quote ="hull2524"Imo we need players like Hadley in or around the squad. Washy cant go forever and Thompson although gives his all doesn't do it for me. Hope he comes back fit and ready for action from wakey'"
Again, people like you beat down on Thompson without good reason. He's turned from being an outside back to used as a utility forward mostly in a prop type role down the middle. He made 100+ more tackles than our marquee player last year, he only made two fewer tackle busts than our marquee player, yes he misses a few tackles but he's experienced and could fill in many positions across the field if required.
he'll never be a world beater but he's good enough for the role he does for us and he's still only 25, we need to be thinking about home developed backs more than forwards. We seem to produce plenty of forwards but quality backs especially in the halves are much much less common
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Again, people like you beat down on Thompson without good reason. He's turned from being an outside back to used as a utility forward mostly in a prop type role down the middle. He made 100+ more tackles than our marquee player last year, he only made two fewer tackle busts than our marquee player, yes he misses a few tackles but he's experienced and could fill in many positions across the field if required.
he'll never be a world beater but he's good enough for the role he does for us and he's still only 25, we need to be thinking about home developed backs more than forwards. We seem to produce plenty of forwards but quality backs especially in the halves are much much less common'"
Seeing as you using stats, have a look at his this week, in a team than dominated Hudds and playing against some inexperienced players, he missed the most tackles and made the least about of metres out of the forwards and the lowest average gain. Also managed to make an error from his 4 carries, compare these to Masi, who was only playing his 2nd SL game
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| Quote ="Dave K."Seeing as you using stats, have a look at his this week, in a team than dominated Hudds and playing against some inexperienced players, he missed the most tackles and made the least about of metres out of the forwards and the lowest average gain. Also managed to make an error from his 4 carries, compare these to Masi, who was only playing his 2nd SL game'"
Hull2524 puts Thompson down in almost every post he can, all knockers was doing was defending the kid and to use the stats from a single match in isolation is a pointless comparison to the whole of last season, again maybe done to suit your own agenda.
This thread is supposed to be about the validity of Hadley getting game time elsewhere not a pointless p1551ng competion about who's this and who's that.
This board really deteriorates at times. This being an example in my opinion.
Fwiw worth I'm pleased Wakefield are affording him the opportunity and a player in a similar mould to Thompson will be coming back fitter and pushing for a place in the starting 17.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"Hull2524 puts Thompson down in almost every post he can, all knockers was doing was defending the kid and to use the stats from a single match in isolation is a pointless comparison to the whole of last season, again maybe done to suit your own agenda.
This thread is supposed to be about the validity of Hadley getting game time elsewhere not a pointless p1551ng competion about who's this and who's that.
This board really deteriorates at times. This being an example in my opinion.
Fwiw worth I'm pleased Wakefield are affording him the opportunity and a player in a similar mould to Thompson will be coming back fitter and pushing for a place in the starting 17.'"
His stats from all games this year have been poor and not great last year, It's a fair post to make a comparison of two players fighting for a simalar position, with Watts out I'd have kept Hadley.
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| Quote ="Dave K."His stats from all games this year have been poor and not great last year, It's a fair post to make a comparison of two players fighting for a simalar position, with Watts out I'd have kept Hadley.'"
You just don't rate Thompson and like to bash him everytime,Hadley is solid and a bit of a plodder Imo and Thompson offers a bit more going forward as will Turget with game time.Can see Turget leapfrogging Hadley as a regular next season.
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| Opinions are what there are opinions. Have always thought Thompson gives his all but IMO hasn't got what it takes to be on our 17 barring injuries. I would love him to prove me wrong and hope he does . What I've seen Hadley offers more . I'd love them both to succeed why wouldn't i
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| Quote ="odd shaped balls"You just don't rate Thompson and like to bash him everytime,Hadley is solid and a bit of a plodder Imo and Thompson offers a bit more going forward as will Turget with game time.Can see Turget leapfrogging Hadley as a regular next season.'"
When he has a good game I'll gladly give him credit, Hadley will give you more solid metres going forward, while Tomo will give you one good run in ten, while the rest of the time he gets dominated
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| Quote ="odd shaped balls"You just don't rate Thompson and like to bash him everytime,Hadley is solid and a bit of a plodder Imo and Thompson offers a bit more going forward as will Turget with game time.Can see Turget leapfrogging Hadley as a regular next season.'"
There is simply no basis to state that other than being your opinion. Hadley has SL experience and does not let the team down.
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| Neither Hadley nor Thompson look to have a lot more progression in their games. At least Turgut should have the potential to improve. I'd personally rather he got the game time out the three.
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| Quote ="hull2524"Opinions are what there are opinions. Have always thought Thompson gives his all but IMO hasn't got what it takes to be on our 17 barring injuries. I would love him to prove me wrong and hope he does . What I've seen Hadley offers more . I'd love them both to succeed why wouldn't i'"
Why does a player have to be in the first XVII every week to justify their place in the squad?
Isn't that the whole point of having squad players, they aren't on top dollar but are good back ups, when we are able to produce a squad full of hull trained players from the academy system things might be different but we don't. And as seen by accquiring the likes of Connor, Griffin etc sometimes the youngsters just aren't of the required standard or the coach doesn't have the luxury of trying to introduce youngsetrs or doesn't trust them to do the job.
the likes of Thompson, hadley etc fill those positions we need just as any other team does.
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| i agree, hes a back up player,
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"There is simply no basis to state that other than being your opinion. Hadley has SL experience and does not let the team down.'"
Well its a forum and its all about opinions.As for SL experience,how does Turgut get it then?.....he will offer more than Hadley AND Thompson when he gets his chance.I have seen nothing in Hadley yo suggest he will be a stand out player and we need something different in the 2nd row.
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| I like Hadley and I expect to see both him and Turgut in the same team down the line. But if Turgut fulfills his potential he'll be the one grabbing tries and headlines.
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| Hadley isn't explosive or massive hitter in defence which doesn't make him stand out so he gets written off
But for me he's defensively decent with good technique. Solid rinner and has some of the best hands in our pack and is a beautiful line runner. Deserves far more appreciation than he gets on here imo
Id personally have him over thompson when fit. Do think Turgut will surpass them both though
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| The thing with Hadley for me is that hes never really stood out. Hes been given a fair few opportunities but has never really taken a game by the balls. Now this is a player who has players like Ellis and Mini to learn from yet he doesnt seem to be progressing. My comment regarding him blocking players like Turgut is true, If Hadley keeps getting the nod in front of him then Turguts chance is getting blocked - he could flop given a reasonable run of games but he could step up and be our John Bateman which is something Hadley sadly doesnt look like becoming
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| As you say all about opinions. We see different things in players. As for Turgut be nice to see how he goes at some time this year. Looks like mini wants to go round for another year
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| Quote ="hull2524"As you say all about opinions. We see different things in players. As for Turgut be nice to see how he goes at some time this year. Looks like mini wants to go round for another year'"
I would like to see Turgut on the bench against Saints.
Dont see the point in carrying Connor on the bench.
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| Can see Hadley replacing Thompson when his loan stint finishes
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| Quote ="number 6"Can see Hadley replacing Thompson when his loan stint finishes'"
Given Hadley's squad number, I would have thought he was very much on Radfords radar.
Personally I dont understand some of the comments on this thread regarding a player who has never let the side down. What message would it send out to that player if he were to get over looked for an untried youngster. Turgut will have to earn his place or wait for a dip in form or an injury.
Given that Hadley is not available for selection (at Wakey) it will be interesting to see if Turgut does get his chance against St's. Afterall, with the amount he is being touted on here I'd expect him to be in the starting 13.
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| I think Turgut was the only one who really stood out in the pre -season friendlies when the sort of back up team and unders played and people want to see more of him as he looked like he had something about him
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"I think Turgut was the only one who really stood out in the pre -season friendlies when the sort of back up team and unders played and people want to see more of him as he looked like he had something about him
Nothing against Hadley - i hope he comes back from Wakey rejuvenated and helps push us on'"
Got no problem with playing Turgut but last year Radford was risk averse when it came to giving fringe players game time (well actually the season before too until it came to injury in the 8s) and this did cost us in the end.
all our starters (in the forwards) were knackered including DH which was apparent in the Warrington home game.
Radford couldn't trust to the back up players or just couldn't see that the fortune of having first XIII uninjured for the most part was having a detrimental affect in the long run. He was very much under pressure last season, or bust and obviously felt the need to play the best (on paper) team every week -and why wouldn't you it would seem to be the natural thing to do.
It's a balancing act between putting out your on paper best XIII/XVII or thinking that a fresh back up player might well perform better than a knackered first choice.
LR needs to be pro-active in this decision making and injuries may force his hand anyway. Yes get Turgut on as a starter if peiple think he is ready/goo enough, however LR will decide and in that whatever words we say, whatever our views he makes the decisions, rightly or wrongly.
that he seemed to give more time to the backups/fringe/youngsters in the pre-season is a sign he recognises that he must rotate so the likes of Turgut, Matongo et al will get more game time than previous seasons.
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