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| Quote ="the artist"who in your opinion is better in superleague? certainly not hall hodgson or monaghon who are just finishers'"
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| Quote ="JMR"If Murdoch really did make that statement...it says more about his own ignorance of the sport than anything about Tom Briscoe.
Not knocking Briscoe, but racking up hat-tricks against the likes of Salford mean nothing in the context of Murdoch's 'moment of madness'.
Let's be honest, Briscoe has been a hitherto disappointment on the international stage. He was even 'hooked' in favour of Peter Fox in the 2009 Four Nations and his most noteworthy contribution to last year's event was his dreadful mistake from a Lockyer kick which cost England a try at a critical stage.
Until he even begins to make a semblance of impact in the international arena, he cannot possibly be mentioned in the same breath as NRL stars such as Vetuvei, Boyd, Nightingale, Hayne, Uate, Vidot, Yow Yeh, etc etc...let alone Pat Richards.'"
How do you expect him to make an impact on the International scene when it is most likely he will be playing outside of the Ryan Atkins or Michael Shenton? All of the above wingers you list get to play on the International circuit outside World Class Centre's. I'm not saying TB is world class but your point lacks a lot of context.
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| I burst out laughing when he said it, ludicrous statement!
Probably on a par with the day Gwillym Lloyd claimed Danny Tickle was the best goal kicker in the world in either code.
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| Quote ="JMR"If Murdoch really did make that statement...it says more about his own ignorance of the sport than anything about Tom Briscoe.'"
To be fair I think it just popped out in the excitement of his hat-trick try and he almost immediately started to backtrack from it. Just a harmless piece of hyperbole in the heat of the moment.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I think he was meaning even Richards is rated higher than Briscoe and Richards wasn't even a big name back in Aus.'"
No he didn't, his implication was that richards was the best out of those he listed
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| I think its a bit of a bold statement calling him one of the best in the world but hes certainly one of the best wingers in superleague and i wouldnt swap the kid for anyone else...excellent player who can only get better for me.
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| certainly 1 of the best wingers in the world and the certainly the best in super league but still has improvements to make
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Uate - very quick and strong, but doesnt have the 'class' to make something from nothing, lacks the balance that TB has'"
Briscoe's a good un, but specs don't come any more tinted than that
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| Tom Briscoe is a superb player, and arguably the best in Super League, but you have to take into consideration who the SOO players are playing against too. If any of them were to come over here I think its safe to say they would have a huge impact.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Tom Briscoe is a superb player, and arguably the best in Super League, but you have to take into consideration who the SOO players are playing against too. If any of them were to come over here I think its safe to say they would have a huge impact.'"
And visa versa...i think tom would be a star in the nrl.
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| Quote ="JMR"Until he even begins to make a semblance of impact in the international arena, he cannot possibly be mentioned in the same breath as NRL stars such as Vetuvei, Boyd, Nightingale, Hayne, Uate, Vidot, Yow Yeh, etc etc...let alone Pat Richards.'" Daniel Vidot a NRL star really ???
A more believable 'big call' would be that Briscoe is the best English winger of the SL era.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Tom Briscoe is a superb player, and arguably the best in Super League, but you have to take into consideration who the SOO players are playing against too. If any of them were to come over here I think its safe to say they would have a huge impact.'"
Like matt sing?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Like matt sing?'"
I liked matt sing....prefer tom though.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Listening to Humberside after the game and Murdoch said after Briscoe's fantastic solo effort 'If there is a better winger in world rugby, I am yet to see it'
At the time I thought it was a very bold statement to make, but comparing Briscoe to the SOO wingers for example, he may be have a point:
Uate - very quick and strong, but doesnt have the 'class' to make something from nothing, lacks the balance that TB has
Boyd - is a fullback
Morris - great winger, strong and quick - probably ahead of Briscoe at this stage
Yow Yeh - promising player but i think overall, TB has more to his game
Am i being completely bias?? Maybe!
I just hope he keeps improving and produces more of the same'"
You have to take in consideration the fact that Briscoe plays against Superleague defences, and you've stated wingers playing state of origin, against undoubtedly the best defenders in the world. When Briscoe proves he can do his magic internationally against the big two, i'll agree
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| Quote ="Whiting"You have to take in consideration the fact that Briscoe plays against Superleague defences, and you've stated wingers playing state of origin, against undoubtedly the best defenders in the world. When Briscoe proves he can do his magic internationally against the big two, i'll agree
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| Feel sorry for the lad, he'll never show his full potential whilst playing in the shadow of Richard Whiting..............
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| Quote ="Farmer Giles"Feel sorry for the lad, he'll never show his full potential whilst playing in the shadow of Richard Whiting..............
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Ha,ha,..Nowt wrong with rich whiting....bit of a slug but i would be disapointed if he wasnt at hull..safe as houses and playes well werever hes asked to play!!
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| Quote ="Freddy Lee"did morley,ellis,burgess,carney etc rip it up for gb/england??? Means nothing playing for that shower...were awful as a nation...theres alot of our players in this league that would do well in the nrl but we just cant do it as a team for some reason!'"
There are many wingers quicker, more skillful and who have better footwork in the NRL than Briscoe.
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| Quote ="Whiting"There are many wingers quicker, more skillful and who have better footwork in the NRL than Briscoe.'"
Your probably right,but what im saying is dont judge him on his england peformances(for what it worth,idont think hes done much wrong) judge him on what hes doing for hull..which for me is superb.
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| Quote ="Freddy Lee"Your probably right,but what im saying is dont judge him on his england peformances(for what it worth,idont think hes done much wrong) judge him on what hes doing for hull..which for me is superb.'"
Fair point. I don't 100% agree with you about his Hull form however. I agree he has done some superb things, but in some games i've recently seen he has been a very average winger, one who makes no impact in a game, and has made some simple handling errors. I don't know if you went to the St Helens game but he was well below average. I'm also thinking of the Castleford game was it? Where he bombed a couple of certain tries. I'm not faulting the kid, nobody can be top of their game all the time. Just using the examples to stress why i think he's nowhere near the best winger in the world!
Best english winger by a country mile though
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| Best winger in super league by a country mile. He scores tries off his own back that I just cant see any other winger in this league scoring, in-fact, the last british winger we had like him was Brian Carney. the tries against Saints at home and away, rovers at home, wakefield at home as examples. Fantastic balance, unbelieveably strong, great at returning the ball and very quick from standing start. The only thing that stops him from being world class is his inconsistency. Ive seen him take a bomb above his head under pressure, yet some days he cant take a kick with no-one round him. He drifts in and out of games too much for me.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Best winger in super league by a country mile. He scores tries off his own back that I just cant see any other winger in this league scoring, in-fact, the last british winger we had like him was Brian Carney. the tries against Saints at home and away, rovers at home, =#0080FFwakefield at home as examples. Fantastic balance, unbelieveably strong, great at returning the ball and very quick from standing start. The only thing that stops him from being world class is his inconsistency. Ive seen him take a bomb above his head under pressure, yet some days he cant take a kick with no-one round him. He drifts in and out of games too much for me.'"
? Had a stinker against wakey at home. But the try he scored against Wakey away [iwas[/i special.
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| Quote ="GJJ 79"? Had a stinker against wakey at home. But the try he scored against Wakey away [iwas[/i special.'"
Doh, meant salford at home.
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| Quote ="JMR"If Murdoch really did make that statement...it says more about his own ignorance of the sport than anything about Tom Briscoe.
Not knocking Briscoe, but racking up hat-tricks against the likes of Salford mean nothing in the context of Murdoch's 'moment of madness'.
Let's be honest, Briscoe has been a hitherto disappointment on the international stage. He was even 'hooked' in favour of Peter Fox in the 2009 Four Nations and his most noteworthy contribution to last year's event was his dreadful mistake from a Lockyer kick which cost England a try at a critical stage.
Quote Until he even begins to make a semblance of impact in the international arena, he cannot possibly be mentioned in the same breath as NRL stars such as Vetuvei, Boyd, Nightingale, Hayne, Uate, Vidot, Yow Yeh, etc etc...let alone Pat Richards.'" '"
thats a bit like saying George best was e cos he only played for Northern Ireland. Tom Briscoe will probably never be a world cup winner thats true, but it doesnt mean he isnt/wont be as good as any of them other players, and are the Aussies full of world class wingers? if so why do they play 2 f/b's on the wings in the S.O.O games, (Boyb, Hayne)
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