not too disapointed with the performance, result doesnt really matter. I think the lack of a forward rotation we had was what was the undoing, with morley going off so early and westwood having to play as a prop instead of out wide.

I thought the combinations looked good at times in the 1st half, robinson also looked good at replacement hooker and think him and roby have a good combo there. Surprised how well Atkins went to be honest. Think Tom will struggle for good ball from Shenton this tour, will have to do a lot of scooting just to see it I think

First half I thought we looked very good; hitting the ball at pace and with a dynamism I hope will continue in the games to come. Burgess and Ellis just look on a different level to our other players; surely a real indication to our better players that testing themselves in the NRL will improve them.

Widdop looked the part to me, and Robinson looked like he wanted to seize the opportunity.

morley looks like being out of the tour according to 5 live so we need another captain and suddenly it looks like fielden will have a big role to play

fly lynch over

I'd play Robinson at 7 and Tomkins at 6 . Brown can carry the kicking tee , Totally out of his depth.

Wasnt the best from Brown was it? Bring Lunt onto the bench to spell Roby and tighten things up in the middle shame we couldnt give him a run out today.

lol

for those bothered it's just started again on sky sports 4

Anyone know what's written on the back of the NZ players shirts? It had their names and then something else, maybe their NZ name??

I think it is their name but in the Maori language.

Thought Briscoe did what was needed of him saved a try, carried the ball strongly and was solid in defence needs more service from Shenton. Hope Moz is ok if he's out then our slim hopes of winning the 4 nations will disappear.

Thought Shenton could have put him away in the 1st half following the break from Burgess.

Was pleasantly surprised about how strong we looked. Our backs for example punched holes. Atkins and Hall looked very strong.

i think they will be alright and i think the score will just make them try that bit harder

Agree. Must feel comfortable in this isolated role. Home from home. What's wrong with English centres - are they all plain thick? Or is it the coaches for wasting Tom? Agar, close season essay: "Compare and contrast - Brains =#000080and skill versus brains =#000080or skill - working within the confines of limited expenditure, how best to maximise these assets?"

Tom did well with his cheeky offload for the second try and foxey steal to save the game. Just needs to start chucking up his arm and yelling with a grimace a la Faumuina.

With fielden and Graham to come in we've got cover.

Moz out of 4 nations! Breaking on ssn. BIG blow

Yup. Although to be fair to Shenton he wasn't getting much decent ball himself. Didn't help that the completely ineffectual Brown was the HB on that side of the pitch.

Atkins and Hall on the other side are a disaster waiting to happen. Barely a brain cell between them and defensively weak. The Ozzies will run through them at will.

The whole 3/4 line is poor. I think briscoe has plenty of quality and potential but he's nowhere near what I would class as real international standard at present. As for the rest, probably the worst 3/4 line we've fielded in the time I've been watching the game and none of them would have got in the sides of 10 or 20 years ago.

The 1/2 backs have been hit by injuries to pryce, eastmond and maguire who would have all been in instead of brown

Going back 15 years or so when we had the likes of Radlinski, Offiah, Newlove, Davies and Robinson available and still never won a series, it's clear that the quality of backs we produce has stepped back hugely. Didn't we have overseas quotas of 3 in those days?

The back line is also very young and I can understand the need for them to develop together with the 2013 World Cup in mind. All played well in the first half IMO and although I dont think we have the ability to beat the NZ or Ozzies I hope I see a team play with no fear who are prepared to give it a go.

Hope Lynch gets a call up now Morley is ruled out.

And no salary cap

It was a decent run out, our left edge looked a bit dodgy though. Going forward we look okay and the forwards will match anything thrown at them but the backs are a worry. Aus have a lot of top backs missing but are still much better than ours.

I think it may be a different case unfortunately when we face the big boys IMO Tom Briscoe is the only outside back we have who could potentially cause problems for the aussies and kiwis.

Wonder if Macca will fly anyone else out maybe Lynch, Carvell?

Carvells going out