Wigan offered a 2 yr deal the same as us, only we offered more.

how would you know that?? are you Wigan's finance director?????all this talk of people knowing salary details,is,let's be honest,a joke!!!! it's all a wild guess.

Didn't long state it in his book?

You have to ask yourself, what are Hulls ambitions? None of the big 4 clubs would have taken long so why did Hull? He wouldnt have come cheap either.

Saints have a rule that when you hit 30, you get offered a one year deal max on reduced wages. No room for sentiment.

I think for Hull to kick on, they have to try and fill the spine positions (1,6,7,9,13) with good quality players who arent comming to the end of their careers and players who wont just play for a season or two before moving on. Berrigan was a fantastic signing, but you lack the quality in the other positions.

Look at the successful teams and they always have stability, year on year in these positions.

Whats the academy like at hull? Any startlets waiting in the wings to fill these key positions?

A one year deal on massively reduced wages and that he would be back up to Eastmond.

Wrong, Wigan and Saints both wanted him.

Saints offered him a one year deal on a reduced contract and allowed him to speak to other clubs.

Long was approached by Hull, Wigan, Wakefield and Huddersfield.



Yes, Wigan and Hull were the two with the best offers but Hull offered "the best package by far" including a house over here. Long and his agent then went back to Saints who could not match the offer we had made.

Exactly.

On massively reduced wages and as back up.

Looking up at king dobbo

I like Dobson,but I have said before,Long has nothing to prove over his career.
Yes,he is past his prime,but that doesn`t alter the fact he is quality.

He is still a good player , but all the things he won before count for nothing at Hull , it's winning cups for his current team is what counts now.

I am just pointing out this Dobson /Long debate mate.
If both were the same age and start which would you go for? tough choice I reckon.

Was quality, only one stand out game for you guys this season!

Also doesn't alter the fact that Dobbo is a better scrum half than him

Long wasnt in the game last night but he was behind a pack that were bullied from the 1st minute of the game.

I'm more disappointed with our superstar forwards getting bullied.

I actually thought you guys made good yards through your forwards, yes we tackled well but still thought you made easy ground.

I would argue that fact.If neither played for a Hull club,I would still personally prefer Long. (If both were equally in their prime.)
But its all down to opinions.

Our forwards were as ineffective as i've seen them. We lost the game up front.

Will have to watch the game on tv, from where I was sat it didn't look like the forwards where the problem.

I'll let you watch it again and tell me. I'm not watching it again!!

We did. Getting from one end of the pitch to the other wasn't the problem. The issue was finishing it off. Long was poor and looked like a player who had played once in 3 months and with Horne at fullback it really disrupted us.

you could have done with him out on the field last night

Oh yeah I remember that trophy Dobson won for you, erm, when was it again?

I mentioned on another thread, losing Hall was a very big disruption and was possibly a huge turning point in the game.