What she is trying say,may be you don't understand??,is that when we have motu and Raynor there our kick returns are a lot better,both excel in that area,they invaraibly gain more yards,they don't die in the tackle,they attract three and four defenders to the tackle and get up and ussaully we are on the front foot because of there quicker play the ball.This is not a sleight on Hall or Calderwood,they have different strenghts,but kick returns aren't one of them.

I know what she means,Raynor runs sideways and will lob out a daft pass and Motu has to have the thing in his hands to do the return.......Will be intresting to see what will happen WHEN they are both fit....they will have to earn there places. for me it will be

Tony
Calderwood
Hall
Yeaman
Raynor.

I'd still freshen things up and bring the likes of Washy and Whiting in but we must play differently v Salford next week. Perfect opportunity to get our attack clicking imo.

Daft offloads - Raynor !!!!!!!!!

Drives me mad - excellent hands, ball usually well delivered when he stands in the tackle gifting somebody an easy ten AND often a quick PTB.

Class GB winger & we can't appreciate good play, what hope have some of our less established players got of any praise.

2008
21 appearances
53 offloads
16 errors

Martin Gleeson 2008
25 appearances
53 offloads
27 errors

Keith Senior 2008
26 appearances
52 offloads
23 errors

might as well play radford on the wing because neither current wingers get any ball so no one would notice !!

Just out of interest, what do Hull FC fans see has Mark Calderwood's strengths?

errrr..............

Ill come back to you on that one!!

Currently his work rate and his desire to get involved and try and influence the game. (and do something inventive and different)

Also his kick chase and defensively he has made some really key plays too.

We on bowt same calderwood ! Wats inventive that he does ? His work rate int owt special either cnt wait 4 raynor 2 get bk

Well said totally agree

Raynor will be on the left wing with Calderwood on the right. Another Calderwood knocker then without really watching the game i guess?

Too right, I always thought wingers were supposed to play on the wing and expect a little bit of service from their centres or halves, we have when fit two of the fastest and elusive wingers in the game yet they don't get any early ball to exploit their pace, they both come in and do their bit when needed, they give the forwards a bit of a hand and defensively they both chase down kick s really well, they make the odd error when tackling and as for the high ball it's one of the hardest things to defend against when the attacking team are coming at pace and you have to jump from a stationary position, imo I wouldn't swap them two for another wing pair in SL.

none yet...back end of last season, when we know we'd signed him, he was playing really well. I was very keen to see what he could do for us. But not impressed so far. He seems out of the team to me. Doesn't gel. First game against Wigan, he looked like he was ready to come off after 5 minutes. Not impressed yet...but I'm hoping he'll shine through sooner rather than later.

Erm yes seen all the games thanx and he hasnt impresd 1 bit , wen he has bin given the ball he isnt in the rite place , he is shaky in defence under the high ball aswel !

As I've said already it's one of the hardest things to defend against, name me a winger in SL who looks 100 % great under a high ball when defending, his strength is his pace and as has happened over the last 15 years when we have wingers with pace ( apart from Besty) they never have had the service, until we can play some decent expansive rugby you won't see the best of him.

Sums it up for me. He's keen but never getting the service on the wing means he's had to start looking outside the box - and inside the field - pretty much as Raynor does really.

Would love to see what he'd be like (and Raynor) receiving from the likes of Gidley and wonder what our assessments would be then.

Briscoe in the centre mix with Whiting, Horne and Yeamo? And Hall when Motu's back?

I heard a rumour that this would not happen, as Agar is concerned that they'll run into each other. Can anyone shed any light on this?

would only happen if we played with 2 balls. They will be a perfect foil!

That's the point. To knock Calderwood after the start he's had to the season would require almost a complete lack of knowledge of the game. He's tried hard to get involved in attack with little or no service, and has defended really well. What more could he do?

Exactly. Funny still though to hear people knocking him, as you say, clearly showing that they either have a total lack of knowledge or like too many beers when watching the game.

The sooner we get Raynor back the better as for the past few games I think Briscoe really hasn't done anything. Not that he and Calderwood get much to do with the ball, but compared to the effort been put in by Calderwood at the moment Briscoe seems invisable

think thats a little harsh on briscoe tbh the metres he makes by scooting from dummy half in our own half is priceless - as has been said though; no winger will stand out without decent service given to them

in the games so far they have not really been wingers games...as the weather gets better they will get involved more but i think calderwood and briscoe have done alright so far just havent had a chance with ball in hand