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| Back at home before a weekend off.
I think the unavailable list now stands at Walker, Tindall, Carlos, Trueman, Houghton, Fash, Cator, Ashworth, Mitchi, Staveley and maybe a couple of the youngsters. So perhaps looking at something like
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A few only getting in due to lack of options. Goes without saying but we need a good start. If we find ourselves 0-12 down the crowd will get on the players backs and heads will drop.
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| What about Litten to full back, Hoy and Charles in the halves, Nu brown and Smith sharing the hooking role?
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| Quote ="Steve0"What about Litten to full back, Hoy and Charles in the halves, Nu brown and Smith sharing the hooking role?'"
I keep saying that Steve.Litten to full back until Walker returns
Think thats too much thinking for Tinkering Tony giving Hoy and Charles a run for a few games
Maybe suggest it to him after his mid morning power nap and before his afternoon siesta
Also means we can have two actual nines playing at nine in Brown and Smith
Think we have to write Balmforth off
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| Quote ="bonaire"I keep saying that Steve.Litten to full back until Walker returns
Think thats too much thinking for Tinkering Tony giving Hoy and Charles a run for a few games
Maybe suggest it to him after his mid morning power nap and before his afternoon siesta
Also means we can have two actual nines playing at nine in Brown and Smith
Think we have to write Balmforth off'"
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| My guess is we have a little
Renaissance
We only lose 8-22
However we then have the following
Matches
Saints
Leeds
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| Followed by London and
The 9 game mark is also passed on that period
By the time we get to the London match
I can only imagine how the playing group is by then
The tinkering Swedish muppet chef may have totally lost it by then
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Back at home before a weekend off.
I think the unavailable list now stands at Walker, Tindall, Carlos, Trueman, Houghton, Fash, Cator, Ashworth, Mitchi, Staveley and maybe a couple of the youngsters. So perhaps looking at something like
Hoy
McIntosh
Scott
Sutcliffe
Martin
Smith
Charles
Ese'ese
Brown
Pele
Okunbor
Sao
Lane
Brown
Gardiner
Balmforth
Jebson
A few only getting in due to lack of options. Goes without saying but we need a good start. If we find ourselves 0-12 down the crowd will get on the players backs and heads will drop.'"
What's wrong with Ashworth?
Hopefully Staveley is fit, then can at least drop Ockunbor to the bench.
Wouldn't have Sao in the backrow, he cannot defend there, I'd swap him and Ashworth (not sure about him there either)
Gardiner isn't good enough either, rather give another youngster a chance.
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| Quote ="Dave K."What's wrong with Ashworth?
Hopefully Staveley is fit, then can at least drop Ockunbor to the bench.
Wouldn't have Sao in the backrow, he cannot defend there, I'd swap him and Ashworth (not sure about him there either)
Gardiner isn't good enough either, rather give another youngster a chance.'"
Ashworth has a thumb injury and will be out for a few weeks. Staveley missing for anywhere from two to six weeks with a meniscus problem.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Ashworth has a thumb injury and will be out for a few weeks. Staveley missing for anywhere from two to six weeks with a meniscus problem.'"
Thanks, missed all that.
What a season, wonder if we will look at the loan market again.
Although not sure the club will be too bothered.
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| Recall severs from York? Send Okunbor there instead?
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| Unless we can bring in someone who has worked with Smith in the past and gets on with him (as we did with Russell) we're not a very enticing prospect for potential loanees. Likely to end up injured or suspended.
Walking into a squad low on confidence and under pressure. We'd need someone of the right character.
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| If you watch Tinkering Tony’s post match presser he says he’s reluctant to play Charles due to his age, lack of experience and physical size. I’m not sure how old he is but his body is definitely not ready yet. I was watching some stuff on YouTube and the difference in physicality then and now with Mikey Lewis is huge, he looks like a boy. Tanginoa (I think) targeted Charles and ran over the top of him, it’s a fine balance.
A Rovers fan said to me after the game that we defend like they did when Gene was at Rovers, ie badly !
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| Keefs alter egos back out in force I see.
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| Quote ="bonaire"I keep saying that Steve.Litten to full back until Walker returns
Think thats too much thinking for Tinkering Tony giving Hoy and Charles a run for a few games
Maybe suggest it to him after his mid morning power nap and before his afternoon siesta
Also means we can have two actual nines playing at nine in Brown and Smith
Think we have to write Balmforth off'" Tinkering Tony?
He's forced each game into changes. He loses two or three players every game to injuries and suspensions.
When he keeps continuity by playing Houghton at nine, Brown and Smith in the halves and Hoy at full back, you complain about that. Keeping continuity in those positions is the oppositte of tinkering.
It's actually you that is constantly calling for the team to be tinkered with, as you have in this post I'm quoting. But more than that, you always want us to be tinkering between coaches..
It's not tinkering Tony, it's tinkering Bonaire
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| Actually it could be Bonaire with the alter egos.
“Tinkering Tony” and all that.
Try harder.
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| Noticing everyone is putting the 18 year old halfback Jack Charles in their 17s for the foreseeable….
My opinion for what it’s worth
He’s an 18 year old kid who’s been in a team who got trounced by a terrible Huddersfield and had a steady 30 minute stint vs KR, talks of him being ‘the next best thing’ ‘build a team around him’
Have none of you learned through the likes of Connor wynne who got shipped off because of the abuse or Jordan lane who gets pelters every week and hates the clubs fanbase, Jack Logan who also got touted as the next best thing, now not in the game at all, Davy litten who doesn’t get a look in, the list goes on…..
His size is nowhere near super league level he’ll get rolled by a big pack every week, let him play in the reserves and let him learn his craft without the pressure because no doubt he’ll have a few stinkers as an 18 year old does and get shedloads of abuse from fans and he’ll be put back of the line and never spoken about again…..
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Tinkering Tony?
He's forced each game into changes. He loses two or three players every game to injuries and suspensions.
When he keeps continuity by playing Houghton at nine, Brown and Smith in the halves and Hoy at full back, you complain about that. Keeping continuity in those positions is the oppositte of tinkering.
It's actually you that is constantly calling for the team to be tinkered with, as you have in this post I'm quoting. But more than that, you always want us to be tinkering between coaches..
It's not tinkering Tony, it's tinkering Bonaire'"
Tinkering Tony was one of his names whilst at HKR and now we all know why
He needs replacing for the good of the club as he has done nothing to enhance the playing squad since he has been here apart from as we all know make us the most indisciplined team in S/L and a laughing stock,
that should be a wake up call to all supporters as the club being called a laughing stock of R/L actually hurts.
The continual playing Houghton at nine especially when he is carrying an injury,and two nines at halfback just doesnt work.
When Houghton came on at Huddersfield replacing Brown we went backwards and when he went off at HKR and Brown went to nine we scored two tries.
Now that should tell Smith something dont you think?
What i am saying is whilst Houghton is out injured play the two nines we have as nines and move Hoy to halfback with Charles to add some speed and zip and Litten to fullback until Walker is fit.
Give it several games and if it doesnt work we have lost nothing as it cant be worse than we already have
Instead of your continual criticism of me why dont you try and post something meaningful or suggest what changes you would make as you seem to support Smith when his record here is appalling and he needs to go
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| Quote ="Theeaststander1"Noticing everyone is putting the 18 year old halfback Jack Charles in their 17s for the foreseeable….
My opinion for what it’s worth
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Fuck all.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"love all.'"
we'll come back by round 15 which is Hull v Wire
would put very good money on him being abused to the point he gets pulled and put to the reserves.....
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Unless we can bring in someone who has worked with Smith in the past and gets on with him (as we did with Russell) we're not a very enticing prospect for potential loanees. Likely to end up injured or suspended.
Walking into a squad low on confidence and under pressure. We'd need someone of the right character.'"
Was told a few weeks back that Cory Hall from Rovers would be joining on loan after the derby, whether that will actually happens or not we shall find out shortly.
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| Quote ="HU8HFC"Was told a few weeks back that Cory Hall from Rovers would be joining on loan after the derby, whether that will actually happens or not we shall find out shortly.'"
Would be disappointed if we did that personally. Hall has potential but from what I've seen doesn't physically look ready for SL. And if that's the case then we should be playing our own players who have potential, not blooding Rovers' players for them.
Bullock and Russell were the perfect loan signings. Both have a lot of experience and trying to play their way back into form who both added some solidity and reliability to our team. Hall is a relatively inexperienced kid with less than 50 games under his belt who I don't think would really improve us.
If it was with a chance to then sign him long term it could be worthwhile, but I would disagree with just a short term loan move.
Obviouls nothing concrete at the moment anyway so will wait and see how it plays out.
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| A player who has worked under Smith and not playing at Wire is Ratchford…worth a cheeky inquiry?….good pro…goal kicker and can cover fb/centre/stand off.
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| Season over, I'd make any signing one that could be looked at as long term.
Hall is better than what we have, does a good job at centre or backrow
Ratchford, no thanks.
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| C Hall named in their 21 man squad so we can probably rule that one out
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| Quote ="Dave K."Season over, I'd make any signing one that could be looked at as long term.
Hall is better than what we have, does a good job at centre or backrow
Quote Ratchford, no thanks'" .'"
Better than what we have at 6 currently and be worth having til Truman fit…not my fave player but is a good option to have but I will bow to your superior knowledge.
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