3 weeks ago I watched Hull beat Leeds in one of the best performances we have had in the last few seasons, and the most pleasing aspect of the game for me was that every player in the 17 worked their socks off, every ball was chased, every tackle had 2/3 men in it, ever big hit was greeted by 'high 5's' all round by the players.

Since then we have had an abject scrappy win against London and an error strewn game against Rovers.

Today I expected a response to the Rovers defeat, instead the player's body language looked like they were going through the motions. Right from kick-off the runs were half-hearted, and the attacking play was straight out of the 'Richard Agar's guide to attacking Rugby League 2011' handbook, with the infamous 'short pass inside, trundle in to the line at a snails' pace 'tactic' being apparent all afternoon



even when we improved in the 2nd half, the tries weren't really celebrated by the side, with the players just walking back as individuals.

maybe I am reading too much in to it, but it just didn't look like a united and motivated team today.

I doubt it, teams like us will always go through the spells like this.

If there was something wrong we would have got beat easy today.

All the players are looking for another club?

All teams go through a purple patch.

Er.....

Thought we got a response , ok we looked clueless in attack but saints defended really well today . Plus saints were expecting a response after last week . We had enough ball to win by 30 but at least the effort was there . Don't know what some people want or expect at times . I'm happy with the draw .

I thought we looked flat, clearly the game-plan was the inside ball and turn their big boys around. I was disappointed at the amount of chances we had on their line however Saints defence and sliding defence was excellent. Saints had a lot of strike players and we came back from 12-0 down, a bit disappointing but a points a point. I would put Whiting back in the middle of the park.

maybe saints had something to proove today as well after their spanking from wigan last week!

Saints are a quality side capable of beating any team which many seem to forget, their defence was excellent and I fear if we had not had as much possession as we did they could have given us a spanking today. We should be pleased we got the point imo as clearly we are not on form atm.

i agree, too many people looked at the saints squad today and thought easy 2 points for fc!, i can't decide if it is a point gained or lost after being 12-0 down then 2 points up with 3 minutes left. very brave decision to go for the short kick off at the end, just needed a kinder bounce

There are problems with some people from Hull.

According to the Saints board another brick has been put through a Saints supporters coach.

Something needs to be done about this.

I know how you feel, I tried to work it out all the way home



However we are joint 4th in the league after 3 weeks of average rugby compared to what we know we are capable of, onwards & upwards I say

thought the effort was there today,we came back from 12 0 nil down against a saints team who looked up for it and defended very well, yes its dissappointing to have the point lost in the last 2 min,but to say is there trouble in the camp?

get a grip, we are joint 4th with a game in hand,some on here just love to find the negatives,

I thought Saints defended well considering the amount of possession we had . Today we looked flat , Slow , and void of any ideas within Saints 10 . Agar must have taken the training this week as we went back to the same game plan as last year and how many "drop offs " can you squeeze into 1 game.

Yes, I think you are. We are just going through a bad spell at the minute.

I noticed at one point, walking back before a kick off, think it was horne's try, that Seymour was talking to Manu and Russell giving them a right gobful and then Horne suddenly turned around and, appeared to snap something at Seymour, at which point Radford came in and appeared to shut them both up. Considering theyre supposed to be a pairing this just isn't acceptable and any tensions need to be sorted out.

we thought manu was giving houghton a gobful for constantly going down the same route at the ptb and constantly ignoring our left side! maybe seymour was telling houghton to do so!?

We didn't fire in attack, they really clamped down our left side, Shenton and Soliola doing a great job on Manu. After being 12 points down I am happy with a point when we didn't play that well.
Defence held up fairly well again, the only disappointment was that we kept on with the same tactics of driving in at the ruck which wasn't working. Losing Sharp early and having to rearrange the interchange/team didn't help.
We are joint 4th in the league with a lot of players to come back. Some people are so negative.

Don't buy all this problems in the camp/McRae is causing unrest BS. We are going through a patch where it just isn't clicking as much as it could, that's all. Win at Wakey and we'll still get 5 points from the possible 8 that Gentle was after.

saints really defended well,weather didnt help,all the teams around us lost.if you take wigan out the mix ,all teams not really playing to form.hope im wrong ,but i think wigan will clean up this season.hull are doing ok,we have a way to go yet.

Wigan are out on their own atm, the top 8 is near enough decided and can all beat each other on their day, hopefully our 'easier' last few games will see us go into the play offs in a bit of form.

There was lots of talk and head shaking going on. It was probably born out of frustration but it was hardly constructive. They definitely looked flat and nervous at the start and that seemed to turn to recrimination when Sts went 12 points up. an't help but think that the contract stuff is a distraction at least.

This is what I meant when I started the thread, the body language today looked all over the place, yet just 3 weeks ago we looked like a lean, mean RL playing machine!

It's serious

I do wonder if there is slight unrest due to it being that time of year for contracts etc...Did hear some rumblings about Bomber again today tbh.