Think its time for him to back to the u-20s for a stint.Not very good with ball in hand today and missed 2 tackles resulting in trys......like to see Nicklas given another go.

Nicklas isn't as good, we need Ellis' kicking game. Ideally he probably wouldn't be playing as much, but needs must.
Houghton also missed 2 tackles that resulted in tries.

needs to take Seymore with him as well

dropped ball just before half time led to try, missed kick to touch led to another try straight after half time, think these knocked the stuffing out of us.

looks uninterested at times

Dont think Nicklas or Ellis will be good enough tbh

Very poor today,you need a lot more than a kicking game to be a super league player,needs to get the tackling bags out first.

Fact is we could quite possibly see Ellis and Niklas as our HB pairing next week.

Ellis missed the kick to touch, not Seymour.

Apart from setting up our trys and taking the line on.....was on backfoot in 2nd half due to Hudds pack getting on top.

Really?



I thought Seymour looked dangerous at times today.
I like the way he takes the line on, he was almost through a couple of times in the first half.
Also he generally defends well for a halfback.

Whats up with Seymour? thought he just took him off as game was lost and rested him?

He spent most of the 2nd half limping, could barely walk let alone run. Think it was his knee.

Discomfort in his knee according to Gentle. Took him off as the game was gone by then so hopefully he'll be OK, but the way our luck is running ATM I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

Was struggling all 2nd half with his knee thought did ok 1st half apart from knock on at half time, also dont think he agreed with going for 2a points

I noticed that he certainly didn't.

Was really poor today and not great last week either for me. He's certainly not the reason we lost but like others have said to be a super league half back you need more than a good kicking game, even that hasn't been that great for me in the last two games. He needs to get in a lot better shape physically and also needs to really work on his defence, he's still young and will be much better for the experience but needs a lot of work.

Surprised you saw most of the second half, didn't think u had the balls to stay for the full game!

Bit hot and cold was Jamie today. He linked well for one of Tom's tries and his kick early in the second half that Tom got hold of but had it kicked out of his hands during grounding was a great kick. On the other side of the coin the missed touch was a nightmare as was his scrum-break defence on Cudjoe. He does throw out too many hospital passes for me and at the end of the day Richard Horne was massively missed today. With Ellis and Seymour together we lack a running threat and also Richard's defence is miles better than Ellis'. A spell in the 20s would be great for Jamie again but it ain't going to happen any time soon with the injuries.

I thought Seymour was excellent until the knock on but by then he had already been injured and was struggling.

What?

Agree I thought he was having his best game for us until then. Still an awful knock on that started the tide turning, though. A knee problem should not affect your ability to catch and hold a rugby ball.

Think the accumulation of minutes this season caught up with him today (and also Tickle), he had absolutely nothing left with over 20 minutes to go. Really don't understand why we still left him out there, the game was obviously gone and we would have been better off giving him some of the rest he clearly needs IMO.

I'm sure he'd agree with you.

i was in the players bar after game and seymour met his missus an said he was off for a scan at hospital. fact he going straight for scan from game worries me! few battered bodies in there. tickle n yeamo massive shiners,whiting hobbling with a hamstring injury,turner dead leg,lyne big bust up lip,martin looked stiff n tom looked shattered. earn there money them lads. specially as at the time had man u - villa on tv diving around

But apart from that everything looks hunky dory then?

Back onto Jamie Ellis.

I don't think many of our players covered themselves in glory during the 2nd half, fatigue, injuries and an inexperienced bench took its toll.

Don't think its fair to single out just Ellis, kick to touch aside he was no better or worse than a fair few of our players.
What will being dropped to the 20's achieve or do to his condence? Nothing I suspect and something Agar would do
His performance will be analyised no doubt by him and Gentle and the defficiences and errors identified and worked on.
He is a young kid still learning his trade in SL and it is no coincidence that his worst performance was in a severely tired and weakened side.
He is best kept in the 1st team in order to develop and improve imo as he'll only get better the more 1st team rugby he plays.