and what to make of them?

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Looking over the last few years of Agar's reign despite people saying how undiscplined etc. we are we dont individually score that badly on the obvious things such as cards, missed tackles, errors and penalties.

Appearances is also quite striking showing how unsettled the team has been under Agar for injuries.

What I dont understand though is why we are individually so low on metres gained and carried? The only people in the last few years who have showed up on that front are Moto Tony, Jamie Thackery and Danny Tickle. I remember Motu taking the ball up well from full back but what are we missing on this front? Isnt this just something an individual player can achieve without coaching or being told to do it? Even in the combined totals we never finish that high up.

Statistically 6 out of 7 dwarves are not Happy

This is fantastic!

Not content with your recent efforts to use penalty stats in order to claim that our discipline was on a par with Wigan's last year and the best in the competition in 2009, you now create your own thread to draw attention to your ludicrous opinions.

And naturally, no post from you would be complete without a mention of injuries.

You couldn't make it up.

Actually I think you will see the major part of the message quite clearly was why we dont individually carry and make yards. I dont actually see any real opinions in a question? I guess I did mention the injuries. Lets see how quickly you can blame all or most of the stats on Agar being "thick". On the other hand as you boycott the games and rely on what you listen to on the radio and second hand on here to form your opinions you are more than welcome to give it a miss.

Yes cheers for reminding us, you also posed the idea that taking the ball up is something that players shouldn't need any coaching on.

In the modern era where the likes of Maguire and Brown have changed SL by adding so much to this part of players' games, you suggest our lads should just know what to do without any coaching or prompting at all.

This is on a level with the Icecreamman's material.

Strange you've mentioned those two coaches as Huddersfield didn't have 1 forward in the top 25 of metres gained last year and Wigan only had 2 (1 a second rowers).
Are you confusing metres gained with "the wrestle"?

I haven't confused anything, my point was that in the modern game 'taking the ball up' is as much about getting a quick play the ball as it is about gaining meters. For 'Pookie' to come on here and put forward the idea that no coaching should be required for a player to be able to do either successfully shows a huge lack of knowledge and understanding about the game.

But he wasn't talking about quick play the balls, it was metres gained he was alluding to, the two go hand in hand, you could get 5 very quick play the balls and make 10 metres. I don't think anyone needs coaching how to run the ball in hard. It's something you either do or you don't.

Wowzer.

All I'll say is that while a coach like Tony Smith is winning things left, right and centre by paying so much attention to detail that he even coaches his players on what position their hands should be in when they catch the ball, the suggestion that 'taking the ball up' is something that doesn't require coaching doesn't wash with me one little bit.

Maybe we should start petitioning for Garry Brindley as our next coach?

Good shout.

I mean why join in the discussion when you can make a childish, unfunny attempt at sarcasm and show yourself to be more of a clown than your haircut already suggests?

Take a



All the posts I've read recently of yours are nothing but negative and criticise others yet can't take it yourself - people in glass houses........

We need more love in the room with reasoned debate and no personal insults, your reaction says far more about you than what you think you know about me.

Ah fun times, chill people! Don't forget we're under instruction from rule to stick together !

You didn't 'criticise' anyone or offer any kind of 'reasonable debate' though. It's a discussion about the importance of coaching techniques in the modern game, and you decided that rather than join in, you'd try and take things down to the lowest common denominator with a 'oh well why don't you apply to be the head coach then' type remark. The only person that reflects badly on is you, I just thought I'd try to help you by pointing that out.

That's it! The new song to run out to:

[iHere come old flattop he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please [/i

[size=150[iCome together right now, over me[/i[/size

I think the idea is I "posed the idea". Being as articulate as you are I am a little suprised you dont know the difference between a statement and something with a "?" on the end. It indicates a question and in this case a discussion. I can understand however that you are struggling with the discussion because it dosent neccesarily have to involve slagging off Agar so as I suspected you have little to contribute.
I would add however that based on the experiance of a number of our players and the background/other teams they come from I am a little suprised that Agar would have to lead this incentive and "coach" it into them. Just my thoughts.



I wonder if he would have to start turning up to home games then?

That's funny , Cos the errors looks like theyve increased year on year under Agar and penalties have nearly doubled from 2009 to 2010 .

Sticking a question mark on the end doesn't make it any less of a stupid thing to say.

Elite RL is a game won and lost on the finest of margins, sometimes the smallest of tweaks to a players technique can be enough to gain an advantage over your opponents, your 'the players shouldn't need coaching the basics' does nothing but show your ignorance.

You've mentioned me attending games twice in this thread already, that suggests you know that you're floundering pretty badly.

I'm afraid our fans face difficulty trying to recite Old Faithful as one, nevermind that!

We don't have difficulty, when we were asked by the Kirkwood family to do it out of respect we managed it, when were prompted to do it by an estate agent with a hand microphone we tend not to be interested.

True... but we still find it difficult for all 3 home stands to sing at the same time. It sounds horrendous. I blame that jolly version they blast out of the speakers, its ridiculous! It's changed the tempo of how it was sang, does anyone agree? Or is that just me. It was sang slower at the same speed by everyone.. now its just a joke.

Stoke City had a similar problem in getting a synchronised start to their song "Delilah". This was solved by a big, fat, shirtless bloke standing at the front. He would turn to face the crowd and start with "sssshhh, sssshhh, sssshhhh", once everyone was quiet, he'd then start singing the first verse, by the time of the chorus, everyone was in synch.

I cant explain any harder to you that by using terms like "I dont understand" and adding a question mark was not a statement on my part but merely a question open to discussion. Perhaps the simple answer is "Agar" and I am sure that is the line you would persue. I was merely asking why we are now so low on those key statistics.

HAHAHA that's legendary! I'll better start eating now!


Actually scratch that... instead of me putting on 10 stone does anyone know a fatty who has no self-conciousness?