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| Quote ="Big Dave T"www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/WIND-FARM-GIANT-PICKS-HULL/article-3123421-detail/article.html
10000 new jobs for Hull. Bit of good news at last. Lets hope some specialist transferable skills training can be offered to get the out of work caravan, council etc etc workers the jobs.'"
I wish it was but read it again mate
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| Brilliant news for the region.
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| Quote ="EAST HULL RED"Quote ="Big Dave T"www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/WIND-FARM-GIANT-PICKS-HULL/article-3123421-detail/article.html
10000 new jobs for Hull. Bit of good news at last. Lets hope some specialist transferable skills training can be offered to get the out of work caravan, council etc etc workers the jobs.'"
I wish it was but read it again mate'"
Good news indeed and a much needed boost for the region. However I must say the journalism is poor, the jobs for Hull will be around 700 to 800 the other jobs will be from the knock on work such as installation, service engineers etc which no doubt will mean a few more jobs within the region but many will most likely be national across the continent too.
Still good news however much the HDM has sensationalised it
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| It is not 10,000 jobs for Hull. misleading headlines yet again.
The actual manufacturing facility will generate a few hundred at most.
the jobs created are in fact all going to be payed for by all of us in massivly increased fuel bills and taxes.
The companies involved in manufacturing the turbines are all european, these companies are receiving MASSIVE grants (our taxes) from the UK government to produce these turbines, hence all the money is leaving these shores.
The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.
this whole thing is a myth!!
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.'"
The energy sources [iare[/i green. Whether they're efficient enough is another question.
Quote ="VerbalKint"this whole thing is a myth!!'"
Nah - it's deffo happening.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"It is not 10,000 jobs for Hull. misleading headlines yet again.
The actual manufacturing facility will generate a few hundred at most.
the jobs created are in fact all going to be payed for by all of us in massivly increased fuel bills and taxes.
The companies involved in manufacturing the turbines are all european, these companies are receiving MASSIVE grants (our taxes) from the UK government to produce these turbines, hence all the money is leaving these shores.
The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.
this whole thing is a myth!!'"
Whilst I actually agree with the gist of your point in regard to renewable energy cost the fact is that the Government has provided incentive for companies to invest in UK infrastructure. It remains good news for the region because if it hadn't been Hull it would have been somewhere else and you would still have been paying more for your energy, just not seeing the new jobs benefiting the local economy. If you want to have a real carp about misplaced taxpayers money look more towards the billions of UK taxpayers cash wasted by unelected eurocrats over in Brussels. At least this extra money we're paying is creating new business.
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| the myth is that thousands of turbines will solve our energy needs, they wont.
My point was every KW of green energy is costing us upto 6 times more than regular. the power companies are forced to buy green energy and the costs are passed onto us.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Whilst I actually agree with the gist of your point in regard to renewable energy cost the fact is that the Government has provided incentive for companies to invest in UK infrastructure. It remains good news for the region because if it hadn't been Hull it would have been somewhere else and you would still have been paying more for your energy, just not seeing the new jobs benefiting the local economy. If you want to have a real carp about misplaced taxpayers money look more towards the billions of UK taxpayers cash wasted by unelected eurocrats over in Brussels. At least this extra money we're paying is creating new business.'"
agree, it will have a good knock on effect to other business's in the area. But funding jobs through grants and taxes just does not work, its basic economics, one of the main reasons the economy is in such a state is the massively increased public sector and the ever deminishing private sector. less and less people paying the taxes to pay for government spending.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"agree, it will have a good knock on effect to other business's in the area. But funding jobs through grants and taxes just does not work, its basic economics, one of the main reasons the economy is in such a state is the massively increased public sector and the ever deminishing private sector. less and less people paying the taxes to pay for government spending.'"
Again I agree with you. But on this occasion the incentives are for a private (albeit German) company to invest in the UK. You are preaching to the converted when suggesting that it will be the private sector, as ever, that turns around the economy.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"the myth is that thousands of turbines will solve our energy needs, they wont.'"
Not many people actually believe that. Unfortunately the wind power lobby has been very successful in convincing policy-makers that they have the best short-term solution.
Quote ="VerbalKint"My point was every KW of green energy is costing us upto 6 times more than regular. the power companies are forced to buy green energy and the costs are passed onto us.'"
I don't have a problem with the move to renewables - it makes sense on a number of levels. It's not being handled well though.
The costs [ishould[/i eventually come down once more efficient technologies are adopted.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"You are preaching to the converted when suggesting that it will be the private sector, as ever, that turns around the economy.'"
Actually it'll be, as ever, the private and public sectors working together that will turn around the economy. Neither works well in isolation.
Not forgetting that it was the private sector that torpedoed the economy in the first place.
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| Quote ="EAST HULL RED"I wish it was but read it again mate'"
Ah well, 800 is better than 0. I'd hope that they might recruit a lot of the mobile engineers from Hull too to cover the installations. Fingers crossed anyway.
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| Just as a warning, Siemens made a big investment in a site in the North East to make microchips, it only stayed open a few months and was then mothballed when the market collapsed.
So, on the face of it great news, but it should not be seen as a solution to the regions problems on it's own.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Actually it'll be, as ever, the private and public sectors working together that will turn around the economy. Neither works well in isolation.
Not forgetting that it was the private sector that torpedoed the economy in the first place.
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I think the Private sector would work very well in isolation, they are the ones that actually generate the wealth, the ones that actually manufacture things to sell to the rest of the world, not the millions of paper shuffling rubber desk johnny bureaucrats that produce nothing and are payed for out of private sector taxes.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"icon_smile.gif
It was a particular arm of the private sector that fired the torpedo - not all of it. Just 6 months after the then Prime Minister had lauded it too.'"
And now we have a chancellor who is on record as saying that we should have followed the Irish economic model.
Quote ="Staffs FC"And yes of course the Public sector will contribute to the economic recovery as waste is removed and it once again becomes affordable
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Affordable is such a relative term. For instance, who knows what we'd be able to afford if we hadn't thrown mountains of cash at the good old private sector to stop it from collapsing under the weight of it's own greed and stupidity.
Sorry - [ione particular arm[/i of the private sector.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"I think the Private sector would work very well in isolation'"
Then you don't understand how economies work. Or countries for that matter.
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| Quote ="Kosh"And now we have a chancellor who is on record as saying that we should have followed the Irish economic model.
Affordable is such a relative term. For instance, who knows what we'd be able to afford if we hadn't thrown mountains of cash at the good old private sector to stop it from collapsing under the weight of it's own greed and stupidity.
Sorry - [ione particular arm[/i of the private sector.
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We ran out of money I'm afraid - it generally happens one way or another under that particular regime. Credit seemed so trendy - the private sector banks offering it and the Government in deep debt before the banks crashed. The Government failed in its duty to adequately regulate the banks who of course behaved disgracefully. And yes - it is one particular section of the private sector - unless of course you think those of us in areas such as manufacturing were also selling complex fraudulent 'investment vehicles'.
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| Great to see some positive job news for the region following the huge number of redundancies over the last two years.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"We ran out of money I'm afraid - it generally happens one way or another under that particular regime. Credit seemed so trendy - the private sector banks offering it and the Government in deep debt before the banks crashed.'"
Government debt before the crash was nothing out of the ordinary and broadly similar to what we had under the previous Tory administration.
Quote ="Staffs FC"The Government failed in its duty to adequately regulate the banks who of course behaved disgracefully.'"
No argument on either of those points. Looks like we'll be going down the same path again as well.
Quote ="Staffs FC"And yes - it is one particular section of the private sector - unless of course you think those of us in areas such as manufacturing were also selling complex fraudulent 'investment vehicles'.'"
When people use sweeping generalisations such as the 'public sector' I feel obliged to fall in line.
And the banks weren't the only part of the private sector to benefit from the money thrown at them.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Ah well, 800 is better than 0. I'd hope that they might recruit a lot of the mobile engineers from Hull too to cover the installations. Fingers crossed anyway.'"
I think that will be the case, The Hornsea array wind farm is currently waiting approval as part of the round 3 offshore wind programme, round 3 is for massive windfarms (1000's of turbines ) to be placed strategically around the u.k, Siemens are part of a collaboration who are the stakeholders in the hornsea array, therefore Hull would be an ideal base to ship turbine parts directly from the port to the construction site, i would imagine pen will be put to paper and plans for this manufacturing facility given the go ahead only if the round 3 wind farms are granted approval, a wind farm that size would require 100's of service technicians which would be recruited from the area i presume, ( based on siemens recruitment policy for they're other wind farms) going by other offshore windfarms i have seen around the u.k there will be 100's if not thousands of indirect jobs created if Hull is used as the base for the construction programme for the hornsea array.
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| caveat to the discussion
Kosh would have a Liberal Democrat government, so his grasp on reality is questionable.
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Kosh would have a Liberal Democrat government, so his grasp on reality is questionable.
carry on'"
Kosh has run out of parties to vote for.
Which leaves me with a problem at the next election as my principles won't let me abstain.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Kosh has run out of parties to vote for.
Which leaves me with a problem at the next election as my principles won't let me abstain.
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Then you're in the same place as me, realised none of them actually know what to do, so long as they pull their £65k a year salary (+whatever) then they don't give a flying one about the rest of us.
I spent the early part of last week arguing with "New" MP's and Whitehall employee's, first time I have walked away from work, they simply have no idea what is really going on day to day.
I wish Brewsters Millions would come true "None of the above"...........
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