There is set to be a big overhaul at the end of the season, with some exciting players coming in to the club....but with potentially only 2 players playing on Saturday who will not be here next season, are our real issues being resolved for next season?

1. Jamie Shaul - For me, this is one of the biggest issues with our attacking structure. Every game, the ball is passed out the back to Shaul, and he stops, comes back inside, running behind his own men and then has to take the tackle. Shaul tends to run into the space that his centre and winger needs, he cannot straighten his line, to attract a defender and then give the pass. He cannot put his centre or winger over for a try - and if you look at our competition in SL, they all have a full back who can do this - Ratchford, Coote (or Welsby), Tomkins, Evalds, Matautia. It means we are losing a pivot. Other teams have 3, and we are working with 2. For me, I would be asking Connor, or even Tuimavave (some of his best games at NZ Warriors were at FB) to be training there for next season.

2. Connor Conundrum - for me, Connor will only ever be a decent 6, but he is an International centre. He has begged Radford for game time at 6, and due to Kelly's lack of fitness during the year, he has had plenty of chances. I don't think he has the mentality to play as a half. If something doesn't go right, he sulks. Compared to Hastings on Saturday, things didn't go well at times, but he focussed on the next play. If he is adamant he wants to be a 6, I would cash in.

3. Defensive Structure - I think most are beginning to see what we try to do in defence. We only rush out if the opposition are 15 metres or less from their line. If they are past that, then we wait for the attackers to come to us. This is giving sides a good 50+ metres per set, and allowing a decent kicking position, meaning we are coming off our own line a lot of the time. Now, whether that is to conserve energy in defence, I don't know, but it isn't working and is counter-productive, as you have to work harder to get off your own line. It also means that our wingers are trying to play the ball as quickly as possible to get the momentum of the set started, and they lose the ball at the play the ball!

4. Mentality - there seems to be no grit, and no steel to the current crop of players. To get into an arm wrestle, to fight lost causes, to put their body in the line, to make a big hit to raise the side. Players like Manu Ma'u will bring that, but little is known of Sao and Satae at this stage to know if these players can re-invigorate the squad.

5. Sneyd - I fight a battle all the time over this guy. At times he has won us games, but then you look at how Hastings played for Salford, and I wish we had a number 7 like that. He runs at the line, tells his forwards were to run (and has them RUN ON TO THE BALL!!), can kick, can pass, can defend. Now I know we won 2 challenge cups, and he got Lance Todd in both of them (don't know how in 2016 by the way!), but you look at what Hastings does, and Sneyd doesn't run at the line, he doesn't commit defenders, he is an appalling tackler (Hampshire went past him like he wasn't there last week) and he got thrown off like a school kid against Saturday. In relation to point 1 about Shaul, is he not able to be a pivot, because the passing inside him from Sneyd/Houghton not crisp and quick enough to take some defenders away?

Tactics - Most fans who have seen us play the last few seasons, can pretty much tell you how a set will go. Faraimo, Naulago and Carlos will have a run from DH, or 1 off the ruck. Drop off to a prop, then a drop off to Manu. Then a kick. If we are within 20 of the oppositions line it will be a crossfield kick. Then repeat. Next season we have a group of players who are known for offloading, Josh Jones is 3rd in SL, Ma'u, Sao and Satae all have great stats for offloading, and we all know what Fonua can do. We need to be encouraging this next season, and practising our 2nd phase structures. Currently, our players switch off before tackles are even complete! Shaul twice I counted, was too busy looking around at what was happening for the next play (which he wouldn't even be involved in) rather than focussing on our ball carrier getting an offload away, and was caught unaware both times!


This has probably turned into a bit of a rant, but I guess to conclude, we cannot just expect these new signings to come in and transform us into a SL winning side. There are many different facets of our game that need to change for us to get the best out of the players we will have in our squad next year

Can't really argue with the above and I've said similar myself in regards to concerns over next season as we don't seem to cure the issues that are blighting the performances especially in terms of us surrendering metres too easily to the opposition. This tactic means we end up under pressure near our line too often and then having to go the full length more often and our last play in the set being about the oppositions 40M line instead of being in the oppositions half with tackles to spare.

Eloquently worded post, thoughtfully constructive, and whilst I may not agree with all of it, keep JC for me.

Do you think Radders can implement these necessary changes wilde3, or would you go for a change in direction at the top.

I think that if we cannot get silverware with the side Pearson and Clarky have put together for next year, then we need to look at the coaching. For the last 3 years we have bemoaned the same things, and it hasn't been rectified. The accuracy and speed of our passing, Sneyd not committing defenders when in attack meaning he isn't giving the people outside him more space, Shaul not able to join the line at the right time, or on the right line to be able to put his centre/winger away.....etc, etc.

It is the same things. We can change the forwards and rely on their strength next season to get us some quicker play the balls and see how we go then, but it seems that we will be relying on a players individual skill or strength to get us points rather than playing with an attacking structure that sees us really trouble sides and get around them, rather than through them

granted hull were poor on Saturday,but all this talk of Jackson hastings been the bees knees,hes a good player no doubt,but were was he in the other 2 games we have played Salford this year and won both.

The previous home game against Salford, Hastings and Loui very nearly beat us, Griffin sent off I think.

In the away game, we won, did Griff get a hatrick, in a low key game.

Hastings is a fine player, and has all the attributes needed, the obvious drawbacks to class players like these is keeping them.

The same can be said about Austin also, as good as they are if you close them down quickly they are far less effective, the fact is on Saturday we never looked like we had any intention to do this and gave him all the time in the world. If the opposition gave Connor the same amount of time and space he'd no doubt have had similar success.

As good as Hastings & co & Salford as a team were, we simply gave them opportunity after opportunity to punish us, and they did just that.

It’s blatantly obvious we’re going to try and bash teams off the park next year.
I’ve been saying it a while though, the structures we have only seem to work if key personnel are on the field.
Saints can lose Roby, but they still play the same way.
We’re going to need to offer more than bish and bash.
I also said it on another thread - Connor needs to be tried at full back. The extra pivot would transform our attack, and the options we have.
We’ve needed Shaul in there to offer our only pace, but with Ratu and Swift we could maybe give it a go.

Big year next year - Can’t see AP accepting regular beatings at home.

a brilliant analysis, of our shortcomings...
Regarding our attack as a team,its pretty woeful, too many poor passes, dropped balls,
only results in more defensive work, then obviously less energy.
We rely solely on an individual bust,or a Sneyd speculator, we need a different attack coach added to the backroom staff.
Pearson will suggest Richard Horne is our attack coach, albeit part-time, but Horne in my opinion, was a superb support player and a great defender, but lacked creativity and his passing ability wasnt exactly top class.
The recruitment has been excellent for next season, but... I feel if we maintain the same tactics, and dont address our attacking issues, not a lot will change..

Wait until next year at Wigan when he's not the main man in the team. Granted he's a fine player but he's not all that & he's already been binned off by 3 teams for arguing/fighting with teammates who were more important then him. Big fish small pond at Salford.

I reckon Radford had a lot more say in putting the side together then AP & Clearly.

I agree about closing them down but you have to say both Austin and Hastings tore us apart at the KC.
A good coach would have had a player marked down to do this.

really?
Motu has identified these players to Radford not the other way round
radford has then watched them on TV and obviously liked what he has seen. James Clarke given the go ahead to start negotiations by AP and Radford

& what is your position as part of the backroom staff to have such info?

He's Radders shoeshine boy.
Listens away to all the telephone calls while he's polishing away under the desk.

Maybe but its a good rant and very much on point
The difference between Hastings and Sneyd is chalk and cheese.In your summary no 5 regarding Sneyd another point which was not made was that his passing can sometimes be atrocious.
A poster criticised me yesterday for my comments about Jamie Shaul.I also mentioned that he loses concentration at the play the ball and misses the chance of receiving an offload or picking up a loose ball.
As you say it happened twice on Saturday so i am pleased at least someone else notices these shortcomings

Pure conjecture on your part.

You have no idea if Motu Tony is still scouting for the club. You are just unwilling to admit that Radford might just be good at spotting talent.

You mean like Langtree,Levy,Thompson,Miloudi,Harris, and probably Bienek

As for Motu ring James Clarke.Its hardy confidential information

The big question the club should be asking is every time they put on a promotion the Players do not turn up, this has been going on ever since AP took over. Seems the bigger the home crowd the less the players want to know.

Taylor, Sneyd, Kelly, Griffin, Connor, Naulago, Jones - how many of them came via Motu.

I’ve got his number

Agree with Wilde 3 on most of his points, feel being a bit harsh on Shaul ,i believe its the way we set up we are to easy to read and opposition are ready for everything. Sneyd..well yes he has won us plenty of games with his kicking , tactical and goal however for me he creates nothing ,i come from an age when half backs ruled the roost, afraid the days of Toppo and sterling have gone.Some will say a different game but for me play basic rugby well and you get results Salford do it ,yes they have won nothing but with a far smaller squad and players who have left they still produce.

All of them, apparently all good signings = not
All signings that don't work out = Radford

Ring James Clark he'll tell you.

I’m sure I heard an interview recently where Radford said he watched every NRL reserve game, and they’ve been looking at Satae for a couple of years.
I don’t always agree with how he sets Hull up, and how we play, but there’s no denying his rugby knowledge and ability to spot a player.

The 2 biggest issues for me are our pizz poor defence and our lack of basic passing skills. At times we look like a team of 6 year olds when we pass the ball. Basic skill and the level were at is shocking.

No defensive intensity or aggression and missed tackles galore. Regularly large numbers of errors and penalties given away every game.

Radford isnt the one making the mistakes on the field but he is the one responsible for preparing the team. If it were just one or two players doing it you could blame the individual but for me it's too many of them and it happens too often for it to be down to the individual.

It seems to me things are a bit cosy at Hull. When was the last time someone was dropped for a poor performance?

As for shaul, he does have his deficiencies but you could put coote at fb for us and he wouldn't do much better with the ponderously slow and inaccurate ball hed get from our other players

Sl will, be harder next year imo with Wigan, Leeds and wire being better at least so I don't expect us to win anything but I do expect us to compete every week and not give up and get hammered every few weeks

One final point, having listened to Radford post match interview after Friday's game, where he sounded like a spoilt brat, blaming his players, it was a refreshing change to listen to the eloquent Tony Smith's interview after an equally disappointing defeat for his team where he refused to blame the players and said the buck stopped at him. Theres a lot to like about radford but he needs to stop slogging his players off in public