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| Its quiet on here so heres something to have a think about.
Friday is without doubt a landmark day in the history of rugby League in Wakefield when the Wildcats fans will await an announcement outside the town hall at 11-00am as to whether Wakey have got outline planning permission for thie new ground adjacent the M62. If they get the green light everything is in place to have a new ground completed by Feb. 2012.
If they don't get it they are sunk, and will I believe be for the chop but all indicators point to them getting the permission granted or at the very least a public enquiry being called for. However I think it will go through so if it does, with Salford starting work on their ground next month, all the funding and permissions in place for Cas's new home with work scheduled to start next feb. and Widnes an automatic to come up as they meet all the criteria needed, who will go down? Because according to the Super League clubs the league will definately stay at 14, and if any club meets the necessary criteria then they must come up, but someone has to drop out, and it has to be in their words of a couple of years ago 'the least equipped club to meet the Franchise requirements set down for Super League membership'. Will in fact a team with a new ground still go down? Discuss  |
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i can still see the league been extended to up to 16 teams,to allow widnes and i more to be promoted,and also to help certain other clubs from going to the wall!!! i know they are saying 14,but i reckon there could be a change of heart.
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would love for it to be rovers to be dropped as "the least equipped club" but thats just wishful thinking! HA HA
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Still looks like a race between Cas and Wakey to me (yes, I know) - feb is late for starting when the decision will have to be made in late summer, I'd have thought. Looks more likely that a team without a new (and complete) stadium will stay in than one with having to miss out. Hopefully it all pans out though. The wild card could be one of them doing a Saints and spending a year elsewhere to buy the time they need to top off. Wakefield have look at playing at Barnsley, iirc.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Its quiet on here so heres something to have a think about.
Friday is without doubt a landmark day in the history of rugby League in Wakefield when the Wildcats fans will await an announcement outside the town hall at 11-00am as to whether Wakey have got outline planning permission for thie new ground adjacent the M62. If they get the green light everything is in place to have a new ground completed by Feb. 2012.
If they don't get it they are sunk, and will I believe be for the chop but all indicators point to them getting the permission granted or at the very least a public enquiry being called for. However I think it will go through so if it does, with Salford starting work on their ground next month, all the funding and permissions in place for Cas's new home with work scheduled to start next feb. and Widnes an automatic to come up as they meet all the criteria needed, who will go down? Because according to the Super League clubs the league will definately stay at 14, and if any club meets the necessary criteria then they must come up, but someone has to drop out, and it has to be in their words of a couple of years ago 'the least equipped club to meet the Franchise requirements set down for Super League membership'. Will in fact a team with a new ground still go down? Discuss
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Have widnes def been told they are getting a place? When would that be from? If they have then surely it will be swap for them and Cas or Wakey, whoever can secure new stadium first.
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| Quote ="mickyp211082"would love for it to be rovers to be dropped as "the least equipped club" but thats just wishful thinking! HA HA'"
Yes, A lot of FC fans would like Rovers dropped. After all it would be far less embarrassing than having to explain their slide to becoming Hulls second best team! |
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Although it would never happen, I would love Harlequins to go.
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They have had their fill now, let them do a city and freefall
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Although it would never happen, I would love Harlequins to go.'"
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The Welsh team would be my favoured team to get the boot.Although it won't happen unless they go POP again !!
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What about Bradford?
Still no new ground.......
It's just them and Rovers with dumps in 2012
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"What about Bradford?
Still no new ground.......
It's just them and Rovers with dumps in 2012'"
shame in a way.i love the away trips to cas,wakey,salford,bradford etc.always seem a good atmosphere.can't we petition to get rid of rovers  the poorest view in sl there!! |
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"shame in a way.i love the away trips to cas,wakey,salford,bradford etc.always seem a good atmosphere.can't we petition to get rid of rovers
the poorest view in sl there!!'"
You must have a terrible view of the TV from your armchair |
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Cas and wakey should merge.
I'm not sure about widnes, to close to Warrington and Wigan.
Hkr would do well relocating/merging with Sheffield.
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I do not think that having a new stadium being built or being given planning permission will make any diffference. As far as I understand the rules of the game, they are judged early next year and they can only include what is in place then. I mean how can they mark an unbuilt stadium or gauge crowd size in relation to capacity. The Saints one might be interesting, what do you use Knowsley rd for this season or the Stobart stadium they will use next ?
If you use the SL formula and mark all the points off correctly and honestly you end up with one club clearly at the bottom. Now bringing one up also has its own set of problems with contending clubs each with there own merits and using the very same SL tick list it also point to one club.
This is the rugby league we are talking about here and unless some one throws themselves out by going bust, then is Wakey for down and Widnes coming up.
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Think Wakefield are dead certs to drop out, their ground plans seem to be the least developed of those in danger. And their signings for 2011 don't look great either...so they can't hope that a strong season on the field will sway the panels decision.
personally I'd like Quins to go though, the crowds get weaker every year, they are getting further away from the playoffs each year, and generally contribute very little.
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"What about Bradford?
Still no new ground.......
It's just them and Rovers with dumps in 2012'"
Bradford have put in some good steps, though, too. I know the stadium plans haven't come off yet, but they did seem (at one point) to have more substance than Wakey's, but not sure what's going on atm.
The initiatives for season passes seems pretty good, and should do something to improve their recently dwindling crowds.
As for onfield performances, they've signed a few good players for the next season (although, admittedly their biggest problem is the ongoing Orford saga), and a good new coach and coaching team should see a big improvement on their league position.
Not sure about their finances, I'll let Mrs. B handle that one.
As for "just them and Rovers", I know that Sts, Cas and Salford all have their plans approved/underway, but I didn't think Wakefield did yet.....?
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Whether Wakey get planning permission or not, I reckon it's too little, too late for Red Hall and the rest of Superleague.
There seem to have been promises of a new ground since they entered SL. Their recent court dates with HMRC hardly suggest a stable financial footing and judging by their recent recruitment, they are preparing for life outside Superleague already.
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| Quote ="Umberto"Yes, A lot of FC fans would like Rovers dropped. After all it would be far less embarrassing than having to explain their slide to becoming Hulls second best team!'"
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Not sure why people are so certain Hull KR are safe. Their ground's poor as are their finances, they're in the same City as a bigger Rugby club and crowds whilst pretty average have showen no growth from the year they finished 8th to their most succesful year for decades when they finished 4th. Coupled with been in the super league 5 years and still taking the mick with the overseas players situation and seemingly less and less people travelling away with them (that's just a guess based on what i've seen on TV, no concrete informationa behind that).
With all that been said though, I feel certain Wakey will go.
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Quote ="Ian P" [uI do not think that having a new stadium being built or being given planning permission will make any diffference. As far as I understand the rules of the game, they are judged early next year and they can only include what is in place then. I mean how can they mark an unbuilt stadium or gauge crowd size in relation to capacity. [/u The Saints one might be interesting, what do you use Knowsley rd for this season or the Stobart stadium they will use next ?
If you use the SL formula and mark all the points off correctly and honestly you end up with one club clearly at the bottom. Now bringing one up also has its own set of problems with contending clubs each with there own merits and using the very same SL tick list it also point to one club.
This is the rugby league we are talking about here and unless some one throws themselves out by going bust, then is Wakey for down and Widnes coming up.'"
Not quite. Depends on what you need to do to "satisfy the RFL".
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/licensing_faqs
"New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season."
Clubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.
Clubs that meet all of the A Grade criteria across the 5 areas will be awarded an A Grade licence. Clubs that materially meet all the A Grade criteria and/or satisfy the RFL that they will meet the criteria in the next round of licensing will be awarded a B Grade licence.
The RFL will then allocate the remaining Super League licences to those existing Super League clubs and/or Championship clubs which applied for a licence and met the Championship Club Minimum Criteria. The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the:
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration. |
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If you use the SL formula and mark all the points off correctly and honestly you end up with one club clearly at the bottom. Now bringing one up also has its own set of problems with contending clubs each with there own merits and using the very same SL tick list it also point to one club.
This is the rugby league we are talking about here and unless some one throws themselves out by going bust, then is Wakey for down and Widnes coming up.'"
Not quite. Depends on what you need to do to "satisfy the RFL".
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/licensing_faqs
"New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season."
Clubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.
Clubs that meet all of the A Grade criteria across the 5 areas will be awarded an A Grade licence. Clubs that materially meet all the A Grade criteria and/or satisfy the RFL that they will meet the criteria in the next round of licensing will be awarded a B Grade licence.
The RFL will then allocate the remaining Super League licences to those existing Super League clubs and/or Championship clubs which applied for a licence and met the Championship Club Minimum Criteria. The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the:
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
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Last time I said Wakey shouldn't get a franchise even tho I like going to Bell Vue, and my opinion hasn't change, infact Wakey are in a worse state than when last franchising.
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I can't see past Wakey regardless of getting permission for the ground or not. It's a shame for them but they seem to be in a bit of bother and Widnes might not be the best team in NL1 but they have the facilities.
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the poorest view in sl there!!
