At what point do we shift it from Agar's fault to the players? Can Agar be blamed for players not being able to catch the ball/giving away stupid stupid penalties?

People say Agar should be out because
a) He can't motivate the team - He clearly can because they came out in the second half all guns blazing, if they didn't want to play for him they wouldn't have being trying so hard.
b) His tactics are rubbish, 1 up rugby - Don't think anyone can say that after the last 2 games, we look like we are a lot better in attack with Tony/Raynor back in the team.
c) His interchanges - Much improved tonight for me.

Only thing you can say tonight is Radford playing 13.

How much can we say it's down to Agar? These are mostly the same set of players that Sharp had, who got him sacked. Are the players just not good enough?

Player power can be a damaging thing............just ask John Kear and Peter Sharp

Indeed. Why post if you have no point to make.

Agar picks the team, he is meant to motivate the team, he is meant to set the tactics...

he's is rubbish at everything.

this team isn't a title winning team, it isn't even top4, the squad is too imbalanced and there are too many average plodders...but a good coach would be a getting a few % more out of everyone and we'd at least we'd be around 5th-8th...not battling it out with Celtic and Salford for the wooden spoon.

It's easier to get rid of 1 coach then 6 or 7 players though.
We need a change from top to bottom. The whole culture of the club needs changing.
Agar is not up to that job. Nothing will change next year.

sack the pack. They are $hite

good post, a good manager can motivate and lead a team Agar can do neither.

What was wrong with the tactics tonight? The reason we lost tonight was because of players knocking on and giving away very stupid penalties. I mean the try from Broughton, how do you coach a player not to try and throw away the ball when being tackled?

Its 90% Agar's fault. He is responsible for this team. We have the players despite the injuries to be compertitive against teams like Wakefield, no dispreact intended to them.

But poor fitness, poor defence, poor offence, poor subbing, poor formation, and clueless attack in a team that actually look like their frustrated as well is inexcusable. The player have to take some of it on their shoulders, but its the lack of the experience in the coaching role that is our main problem IMO.

Saying that when our new coach comes in (almost inevitable IMO), he should be allowed to have a clear out without the least amount of restrictions possible. Not because of the players attitudes particularly, they do have a no give up attitude, but because they are the wrong players and again that comes down to coaching.

Will it help? The problem seems to be the same from Kear/Sharps era.

Both.

Next question...

Stop being sensible

the players are poorly coached week in week out, there is little creativity and attacking flair

its all well and good throwing the ball about when the games lost and the opposition are thinking about their saturday night out. How about they actually turn up from the kick off for once.

we're 2 wins from 11 and your still backing Agar

Yeah, but 50 / 50?

We've seen what a difference a good coach makes at Wire.
Same set of players, but totally different performances.
They have an ambitious board with balls though.

Agree with that mate.

It may not help.
It didn't help though that they handed contract extensions to some of the problem players. That was just dumb.
It maybe just needs someone with a higher profile and harder attitude to knock the players into shape.
God knows, but you are right it's been a long running problem. When will we see the end of it?.

Tonight was down to players not been interested in the 1st Half and saving their own face in the 2nd by showing what they can do.

and how many times since the start of 2008 have we seen something similar

you could count the amount of 80min performances on one hand

Don't agree, we almost scored a superb try in the first haf (prior to Brough interscepting).

Players are frustrated as well.

Give Wakey a bit of credit - the defence was excellent in the first half, and put a lot of pressure on you, which forced the mistakes. Yes, you are playing below your best, and obviously lacking a lot of confindence, but Wakey were up for it, and played one of the best first halves in terms of respecting possession and completing the tackles they've played this season.

i forget that you get 4 points for 'nearly' scoring these days



they didn't turn up til half time, which is completely unacceptable

Don't think anybody is trying to suggest otherwise. However the score line flattered us, and we have the players to be than that. Wakefield fully deserved their victory.

True, but then they gave up.... again.