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| After reading Pearson's comments I for one am more excited than I have been in a long time regarding FC moving forward. It's gone from having no recruitment for next year (which has been so obvious that we need) to bringing in fresh faces. It has been so frustrating that we continue to play as if we have the biggest pack in the league whereas really this is far from the case.
Because of Radford's reluctance to play any different to battering it through the middle I feel that we really need to add some serious size to the pack. I personally don't think are backs are bad at all, they have been given no favours from our forwards and it's annoying that we have no structure, depth and set moves in attack to hit the outside.
I would love a player like Fifita to come in, as well as someone like Murdoch-Masila, however this seems too unrealistic. It is also blindingly obvious that we need a new face in the coaching team to set up attacking plays. My dream scenario would be;
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Paea - personally don't think he makes much impact
Talanoa - free up a large amount of cap space (I assume). Miloudi was playing well for us when he slotted in, I think he could do a job on the wing
Manu - I think he's been a brilliant player for us however he will be on a big salary and we could use that up for a big impact player
Green - too often injured
Abdul - wants to leave so let him
Mini - again brilliant servant for us however doesn't offer what he used to
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It may seem a bit extreme with all the departures I've suggested however Pearson has said he's making big changes and they would free up a lot of cap space. What would your ideal action be regarding in's and out's?
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| Out: Plan A
In: Plan A and Plan B
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| yes plan a hasn't worked these last 3 years,finished top of league after regular season in 2016,4th last year and for the first time in the clubs history won successive challenge cup victories,something that very clubs have ever achieved.plan a hasn't tended to work this year with half the first team sat in the stands most of the season.we need to sign a couple of good ,big forewards and we will be fine.just my opinion mind.
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| Quote ="fosdyke99"yes plan a hasn't worked these last 3 years,finished top of league after regular season in 2016,4th last year and for the first time in the clubs history won successive challenge cup victories,something that very clubs have ever achieved.plan a hasn't tended to work this year with half the first team sat in the stands most of the season.we need to sign a couple of good ,big forewards and we will be fine.just my opinion mind.'"
I don’t remember us winning the league leaders shield in 2016 ?
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| We’ve been worked out though, and have lost Ellis, Watts and Fonua who helped us with Plan A.
Hence the need for Plan B
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| Quote ="fosdyke99"yes plan a hasn't worked these last 3 years,finished top of league after regular season in 2016,4th last year and for the first time in the clubs history won successive challenge cup victories,something that very clubs have ever achieved.plan a hasn't tended to work this year with half the first team sat in the stands most of the season.we need to sign a couple of good ,big forewards and we will be fine.just my opinion mind.'"
Its all a matter of opinions i know and i respect yours but are you saying that contrary to Pearsons statement that there will be players moving out,
you do not,and think a couple coming in will solve the problem.Those cup wins have gone,history,irrespective of all our injuries the players we have put out the last few games are obviously not up to it.There should not be any room for sentiment,if they are not bang on,move them on.
Personally,i dont think the original poster was to far out with his out list,i would add washy to the outs.
This is just my opinion of course.
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| The problem with plan B is that it would probably have centred around Sneyd, Kelly, Connor (and Westerman). Their replacements, with the best will in the world, were never going to be as effective.
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"I don’t remember us winning the league leaders shield in 2016 ?'"
...I don’t recall him writing that either...
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| Quote ="jamesg794"
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I think you are confusing Super League with some online fantasy league.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I think you are confusing Super League with some online fantasy league.'"
I think if we offload the players mentioned, as well as a couple more squad players if needs be, would compensate for the likes of BMM fifita etc providing one of them is signed via marquee status
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| Do we think getting rid of 3 or 4 players will change the attitude we've seen in the wakey and wire games? That's not down to ability, it's down to attitude and it's across the team, not 3 or 4 individuals. Definitely something going on behind the scenes and maybe rumours of a split in the camp are true
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| I'm not saying it'll change the attitude. Pearson suggested substantial changes in personnel and I'm simply stating what my ideal scenario would be regarding player movement
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| It’s ok saying bin 6 players off and bring 6 in but some of the players mentioned are under contract so you have to pay them off assuming they will leave which isn’t a given if they are sat on a nice fat contract
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| Pearson said if needs be they'll be dual-reg'd, the difficult bit is finding replacements, some people seem to think they grow on trees.
It's like saying Watts wasn't replaced, by who???????
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do we think getting rid of 3 or 4 players will change the attitude we've seen in the wakey and wire games? That's not down to ability, it's down to attitude and it's across the team, not 3 or 4 individuals. Definitely something going on behind the scenes and maybe rumours of a split in the camp are true'"
This is it absolutely
Getting beat by 70 points isn’t down to 3 or 4 players
It’s down to the attitude of the whole squad
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| Quote ="jamesg794"After reading Pearson's comments I for one am more excited than I have been in a long time regarding FC moving forward. It's gone from having no recruitment for next year (which has been so obvious that we need) to bringing in fresh faces. It has been so frustrating that we continue to play as if we have the biggest pack in the league whereas really this is far from the case.
Because of Radford's reluctance to play any different to battering it through the middle I feel that we really need to add some serious size to the pack. I personally don't think are backs are bad at all, they have been given no favours from our forwards and it's annoying that we have no structure, depth and set moves in attack to hit the outside.
I would love a player like Fifita to come in, as well as someone like Murdoch-Masila, however this seems too unrealistic. It is also blindingly obvious that we need a new face in the coaching team to set up attacking plays. My dream scenario would be;
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Paea - personally don't think he makes much impact
Talanoa - free up a large amount of cap space (I assume). Miloudi was playing well for us when he slotted in, I think he could do a job on the wing
Manu - I think he's been a brilliant player for us however he will be on a big salary and we could use that up for a big impact player
Green - too often injured
Abdul - wants to leave so let him
Mini - again brilliant servant for us however doesn't offer what he used to
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Fifita
Murdoch-Masila
Jones
Another prop
Attacking coach
It may seem a bit extreme with all the departures I've suggested however Pearson has said he's making big changes and they would free up a lot of cap space. What would your ideal action be regarding in's and out's?'"
Which Fifita do you mean?
If you mean Wakefield’s David then you’re miles out. Wakefield won’t let him go and due to certain issues they have a lot of leverage in his case.
However that’s not my main issue - I simply can’t think of a player less suited to a club like yours. Dave is a great lad and a real joker and that fits well at Wakey where he’s a big fish in a smaller pond. You only see his big games but sometimes he simply doesn’t turn up.
His team mate cover for him as he does for them because that’s how it works at Wakefield. I can’t see that happening at a club that’s bound to have more players with big egos.
I may be wrong but I don’t see Dave thriving at a more high pressure club like Hull - it just doesn’t suit him imo. Remember whilst Andrew was ripping up the NRL David had to come to Wakefield and drink in the last chance saloon.
It was kismet really, Dave might look like Andrew but he isn’t.
If it’s Andrew you want go for it.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do we think getting rid of 3 or 4 players will change the attitude we've seen in the wakey and wire games? That's not down to ability, it's down to attitude and it's across the team, not 3 or 4 individuals. Definitely something going on behind the scenes and maybe rumours of a split in the camp are true'"
Excaxlty this . Seems people on here don't want to believe it and just come out with the same bull and excuses
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| Quote ="ccs"Pearson said if needs be they'll be dual-reg'd, the difficult bit is finding replacements, some people seem to think they grow on trees.
It's like saying Watts wasn't replaced, by who???????'"
If a player is duel registered do they become exempt from your salary cap? I genuinely don't know the answer.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"If a player is duel registered do they become exempt from your salary cap? I genuinely don't know the answer.'" My guess would be that until they play a game, they're not on the cap, but maybe that's too easy.
=#FF0000edit: and wrong ! Simply the top 25 earners, dual registered are still included on the parent club cap.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"If a player is duel registered do they become exempt from your salary cap? I genuinely don't know the answer.'"
We've enough injury problems without having players registered for duels.
Unless you meant "dual registered", of course.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"We've enough injury problems without having players registered for duels.
Unless you meant "dual registered", of course.'"
Maybe this is how we get rid of 4 players.
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| Justin Carney worth a punt? Decided to leave Rovers despite Sheens wanting to keep him apparently - was excellent against Leeds.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Justin Carney worth a punt? Decided to leave Rovers despite Sheens wanting to keep him apparently - was excellent against Leeds.'"
Wants to go back to Aus
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