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| After yet another defeat for this former great team, now seemingly in free fall after seven or eight defeats on the bump, the Leeds coach seems unmoved, and unconcerned regarding his teams plight, is this an inner confidence in his troops, or foolishness. Hypothetically we could have had the same problems due to injuries, would we as fans be baying for blood, or sticking by our coach.
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| They didn't have that bad of a side out last night. They just have no organisation or direction
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| Seems like they are short of leaders since Sinfield retired and a lot of their senior players have moved on.Won't be long before he,s getting the vote of confidence
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| shows how much they relied on Maguire and Burrow
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"shows how much they relied on Maguire and Burrow'"
I did think Myler was a weird signing for them.
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| Agree Myler massively over rated he has 1 in 4 good games.
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| Myler has proven a good signing and is the least of Leeds problems. Moon isn't a half back of any description which leaves Myler having to do everything.
McDermott's confidence no doubt stems from his team's ability to turn things round in the past and he's probably fairly sure of a good performance in the Challenge Cup semi. Lose that and his job is under threat even from Hetherington who is always loyal to those that have brought success.
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| McDermott sacked!
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| Expect an immediate upturn in their performances.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"McDermott sacked!'"
Noooo! Disaster for the rest of SL. We can only hope grandad tim decides to go home and peacock taps his old mate up for the rovers job
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"McDermott sacked!'"
Terrible decision by Hetherington. Toulouse, Toronto up, Widnes, Leeds down. But the RFL wouldn’t allow that surely.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Terrible decision by Hetherington. Toulouse, Toronto up, Widnes, Leeds down. But the RFL wouldn’t allow that surely.'"
Fev? Halifax? Will both fancy their chances of MPG
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| I personally think that Hetherington is using McDermott as a scape goat for his lack of player investment. Gone are the days where players were willing to be paid peanuts just for the glory of wearing a Leeds shirt and the recruitment at Leeds over the last few years has been shocking!!
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| Quote ="Karen"I personally think that Hetherington is using McDermott as a scape goat for his lack of player investment. Gone are the days where players were willing to be paid peanuts just for the glory of wearing a Leeds shirt and the recruitment at Leeds over the last few years has been shocking!!'"
But is it GH that wont spend or PC? Maybe they know about the league structure in future seasons?
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| Quote ="Karen"I personally think that Hetherington is using McDermott as a scape goat for his lack of player investment. Gone are the days where players were willing to be paid peanuts just for the glory of wearing a Leeds shirt and the recruitment at Leeds over the last few years has been shocking!!'"
Agree with you Karen, I think Hetherington is guilty of trying to keep RL in the backwater and thats unfortunately what seems to happening to Leeds now.
The recruitment under GH over he past few years has been very poor and they have lost a huge amount of talent and quality but simply not replaced it. On top of that their youth system does not seem as prolific as it has been in the past either and a good majority of senior players are nearing the end of their player days.
Maybe this in one reason why GH doesn't like the idea of SL growing its brand and selling itself? Whilst GH has done a lot for the game and Leeds as a club maybe its also time he moved on as he's a relic.
Seems poor timing to sack McDermott now with nobody else coming in either.
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| Quote ="Leigh_Manning"But is it GH that wont spend or PC? Maybe they know about the league structure in future seasons?'"
Definitely Gary being tight, where do you think Kath got it from! Unfortunately for him, he's being found out as the golden era who played for the love of the club have all retired.
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| Quote ="Karen"Definitely Gary being tight, where do you think Kath got it from! Unfortunately for him, he's being found out as the golden era who played for the love of the club have all retired.'"
I am vomiting at the idea that Kath is tight or otherwise!
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| Quote ="Leigh_Manning"I am vomiting at the idea that Kath is tight or otherwise!'"
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| I read an exotic pamphlet with a chapter entitled
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| Got to laugh at the idea of Hetherington being either tight when it comes to investing in the team (£150k transfer fee for Brett Ferres!) or some sort of protectionist dinosaur. He's paid more transfer fees than anyone else in the league, it's just his best investment has been in the youth side.
As the only person in the game who has founded an expansion team and made it a success and run a big establishment team and made it a success and is one of the few on the SL side who doesn't need to make a selfish grab for more cash his views are probably worthy of more weight than others.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Got to laugh at the idea of Hetherington being either tight when it comes to investing in the team (£150k transfer fee for Brett Ferres!) or some sort of protectionist dinosaur. He's paid more transfer fees than anyone else in the league, it's just his best investment has been in the youth side.
As the only person in the game who has founded an expansion team and made it a success and run a big establishment team and made it a success and is one of the few on the SL side who doesn't need to make a selfish grab for more cash his views are probably worthy of more weight than others.'"
utter garbage, jog on troll
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Got to laugh at the idea of Hetherington being either tight when it comes to investing in the team (£150k transfer fee for Brett Ferres!) or some sort of protectionist dinosaur. He's paid more transfer fees than anyone else in the league, it's just his best investment has been in the youth side.
As the only person in the game who has founded an expansion team and made it a success and run a big establishment team and made it a success and is one of the few on the SL side who doesn't need to make a selfish grab for more cash his views are probably worthy of more weight than others.'"
Hey Ghost, got to agree with a little of that post, but correct me if I’m mistaken, the “ten year policy” which has been used by Leeds so well, has probably also been their Achilles heal so to speak, as with Burrow Mags Watkins Sir Kev Ryan Hall and others, Leeds have been able to manipulate the fifty percent discount cap for ten year service and has been able to sign a nigh complete Australian pack, presumably using the extra cash available because of this system, nothing wrong with this, but it has also made Leeds keep players longer than they needed. The part of your post I don’t agree with is the wise investment of youth, Sinfield and Watkins are Lancashire lads, as Singleton is a Cumbrian, which players would you say in all honesty, in this present Leeds team, do you think will reach the standards of these great players.
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| Quote ="Leigh_Manning"utter garbage, jog on troll'" Cool, good rational response.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"Hey Ghost, got to agree with a little of that post, but correct me if I’m mistaken, the “ten year policy” which has been used by Leeds so well, has probably also been their Achilles heal so to speak, as with Burrow Mags Watkins Sir Kev Ryan Hall and others, Leeds have been able to manipulate the fifty percent discount cap for ten year service and has been able to sign a nigh complete Australian pack, presumably using the extra cash available because of this system, nothing wrong with this, but it has also made Leeds keep players longer than they needed. The part of your post I don’t agree with is the wise investment of youth, Sinfield and Watkins are Lancashire lads, as Singleton is a Cumbrian, which players would you say in all honesty, in this present Leeds team, do you think will reach the standards of these great players.'" I think the salary cap discount only applies to a certain level? It's not like Leeds had a whole raft of players whose salaries didn't count on the cap.
As for players who can reach that level, you don't know until you try them out. McDermott has managed to get a few younger guys in the team but, perhaps tellingly, the ones who have flourished are in the forwards. Walker apart and he's such a freak that it's almost impossible for him not to have come through. So who can reach the level of the club legends? Who knows- Walker and Oledzki look the real deal but it's the half back/creative/controlling area that we need to work on. And for that we need a particular type of coach. Someone like, say, Tony Smith. . .
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| it's a very tough call, yes he had a side with lots of great players in it but despite the waffling's of they could have won without any coach as per some (incl McClellenan) this is clearly a load of poop.
Teams will always have a lull, it's only natural, it's almost impossible under the current SC that a team will dominate every year and I think that teams like Leeds and Wigan have fans that truly believe they should automatically be up there every year no matter what.
Was it time for McDermott to leave after the GF win last year as some have said, probably not, is that what you would do at your place of work after a good year having had a bad one the year before, extremely unlikely.
I guess he thought there was a team to build up again and carry on for more silverware and rightly so. Seven defeats in a row and being perilously close to the bottom four will make owners/directors butt cheeks start to clench but I don't see how this benefits Leeds at all at this moment in time, I really don't.
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