Couple of talking points I'd like to raise regarding the team to take on Wakey.

Was it my imagination or was Scott Taylor struggling from early in the game against Wigan? Does he need a bit more time to recharge?

As others have stated, Carlos doesn't look good he part at 6 at present. Personally I'd like to see Pryce play against wakey to get him more game sharpness.

Thoughts?

scott has played well the last few games but not at the level he was, maybe he needs a bit more rest? carlos I would play as he is our num 6 this year and the more game time he has hopefully the better he will settle into the role, as for next year who knows?

How much more time are we going to give Tuimavave at 6? I rate him as a centre but not at 6.
He is just playing catch and pass at the moment when he should be taking on the line.
The way results have gone we desperately need the points at Wakefield and for Warrington to beat Wigan
Although that would mean a dead rubber in Hull against Warrington and i would suspect both clubs to field mainly reserve players

The 6 position should not be work in progress at this stage of the season. We are lacking creativity and relying on Sneyd way too much. It would be tempting to try what we did any magic against Wakey, start with Pryce with Carlos on the bench.

It's also not the time to be bringing Pryce back in.
Carlos could be playing to how he's been instructed to.
We'd also miss all the defensive work he does. He's quick enough so not many get round him, and he's strong in the tackle.
If we bring back Pryce or Abdul, teams would target our right side all game, and probably get some success there.

I hope he is not being instructed to be merely be a link in a passing chain. Id hope he has been told to take the line on a few time at the very least.

I think you under state Pryce and Abduls defense, they are not bad.

Leon played his last game for the club at Saints and given the captaincy for the evening. Jordan is still waiting for contract talks, I believe. Carlos is growing into the position. I said earlier that he had his best game at 6 on Friday. He kicked on a few occassions and took on the line, coming close in the second half. As posters have reiterated many times, he practiced close season at centre plus has had injury spells. Sneyd struggled to establish himself last season but has grown behind this dominant pack. Pretty sure Carlos will make the 6 his.

If carlos were a quality 6 he wouldn't need to be practicing there for months he'd be a natural there and he isn't. Half back is a weakness for us in attack. Sneyd's kicking game is top notch but his game with ball in hand isn't as good so we need someone with a decent running game and some more creativity alongside him.

Personally I'm not convinced carlos' defence is good enough at centre or his attack good enough at 6 but it looks like he'll be our 6 for next season so we have to hope he improves.

How are Frank and Mini , both seemed to pick up knocks on Friday .

Catch and pass? He made several tackle busts and over 100 running metres-one of the team highs. Thought he went ok tbf

Personally I'm ok with carlos. He's growing into the 6 role each week
Given a full off season and men pushing him I think he'll be great at 6
Only this time last year most on here had Sneyd as e n Houghton not good enough for a top 4 team.
This sounds very similar to me

Same here pal.
I've heard abdull off to leigh next yr on loan.
Could be a good move

Carlos not good enough
Price finished
Abdul great attack but too slow in defence

abdul too slow full stop. His defence will improve if he can get fitter

Any Hull player with a Wembley winner's medal is good enough for me.

I think there is a lot more to see from Carlos especially if he grows in confidence.

Spot On!
You could add Stevie to that list of those who have taken a season to bed in. Carlos is not yet the finished article. We just have to be a little patient during this season of making history.Creating a team that will be sitting at the top table for hopefully many years, will not happen overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day and Radders is just finishing the foundations.

I know we all want a bit more incisive running from Carlos but he's only 24 and we can have quite a few seasons watching him cut through defences if we just let him develop.
Next season is the season Radders will expect to see a more attacking threat added to his game.

Great post. New players often take a season to acclimatise into new surroundings. Sneyd was being written off last year, and now he's a Lance Todd winner and potential man if steel.
Yeaman was written off. Look how he's done.
Carlos has all the skills needed. If not Connor could easily be a very good 6

You must have been watching a different Carlos to me.

IMO he doesn't have the rugby brain needed to be a decent 6. He's a skilful player, but he takes way too long to figure out what he's going to do with the ball, resulting in telegraphed, slow, hospital passes. He also never seems to put on plays, I'm not sure if he's so slow he misses the planned pass in the move & ends up having to step back inside or not, but that side of the field looks confused at times. Luckily, Mahe & Sika have been excellent in recent weeks and often salvage something from a poor position.

His two saving graces are IMO is kicking game close to the line is fairly good, and he's good in a broken field (his natural flair comes to the fore).

Same here. I don't want to slaughter the kid, but I've haven't seen anything in his game so far to suggest that he's a stand off. He showed some early season promise in the centre and could see why he might make a 6 (and he still might, who knows). But I would rather we sign a genuine 6, one who takes the line on and commits the opposition. As it stands we struggle to break down the better opposition with ball in hand, hence our reliance on kicks (although we haven't done too badly with them). Friday night was a prime example of not being creative enough inside the 20m, we just went from side to side without really creating much.

As good as we've been this season, we shouldn't get complacent there is always improvements to be made and I feel a good 6 will take us to the next level.

As I've said..I was watching a different Sneyd n Houghton to a lot last year. But I avoided the idea plant that sometimes stems from 1 poster and grows
I'm gonna back my eyes and stick with my own personal feeling carlos will be fine. If not I think connor will steal it

Quick look at stats on Friday for carlos
102 metres-3rd highest In team
3 tackle busts
2 offloads
3 attacking kicks-1 at a key time that forced dropout-unfortunately Bowden faff ed it up
Not bad contributions I'd say

I think I've seen more from Connor in a poor Hudds team than Carlos in a fairly dominant FC one to be honest. Yes, I know Connor has played a lot at FB, but in attack he plays more like an extra pivot, than a Shaul type FB. Not only does he have the skills, but he knows when to execute them.

I understand what you're saying though, next season could be a different story, however, we've not seen much evidence of this so far.

Stats can tell you so much, but not a full picture. The meters gained stat is an interesting one. That backs up my assertion that his slow play in attack buggers up the plays and he is left with having to take the line on himself too often. I can't remember a break from him on Friday (I might be wrong), which indicates most of his meters are from multiple carries taking on the line. Tackle busts and offloads are good, we know he's got those skills in his locker. I mentioned his kicking game in my previous post, it's decent. His defence has also improved.


I'm trying not to pick Carlos out unfairly, but six is the biggest weakness in our side and one I worry about with the big games coming up.

Agree with connor. Come next year I think Shaul will be in the greatest danger. That might sound crazy but in this team I'd of expected a further 10 tries to compensate for the lack of tries he puts on. I think radford would really like another outlet from the back. Which if he had it would free up the expection on the 6. Even naughton in his last run at 1 found a brilliant cut pass to his wingman. Shaul links and the play often dies. Friday early on with a clear opportunity is a prime example. Unless he can rectify this I think radders will be playing both connor and carlos and not shaul.

Shaul is in no danger whatsoever he's a class apart as a full back! Get the 6 sorted out and they won't be an issue.

Really good points. We also don't have the added value in attack of playing someone at 13 capable of being that extra play maker, which puts more onus onto the 1,6 & 7, with Shaul's lack of ball handling skills putting further pressure on the 6 & 7. I think that'll be his downfall for England selection.

We'll see. We keep running down blind alleys and the play dying with regularity when the dorns Hanburys ratchfords etc are laying on tries all over we'll see. I can see radders losing patience. A good link at 1 frees up your 6. If not it pressures the halves. It's been bugging me a while and we're now having to rely on Sneyds kicking more and more to get us out of jail
I'd not think it had radders not previously done it with Rankin and Shaul