Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.

Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.

I also think its wrong to blame Seymour when Horne is even worse. Tonight could be a master stroke though i probably wont be

Quote ="DobboHullFC"Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.'" Your right, Seymour should not have being singled out. I think PG is getting pressure from the boardroom. As much as i admire AP i think he was totally out of order with his comments at the weekend IMO We all know where the problems lie, but there was no need to go public.

Quote ="DobboHullFC"Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.'" Your right, Seymour should not have being singled out. I think PG is getting pressure from the boardroom. As much as i admire AP i think he was totally out of order with his comments at the weekend IMO We all know where the problems lie, but there was no need to go public.

I can't see the point in releasing (or ing them off) your front line players if you can't bring in better straight away.

But in saying that we don't know the reasons behind it, only the rumours, AP clearly has a bigger plan we'll just have to put up with it for another 6 weeks.

Disappointing. He's not been the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Could hardly blame him for wanting to stay and earn the 2 years cash for sitting on his backside

horne is finished, as i mentioned more than once last year.... only to be slagged off by the "hull born" brigade..... seymour is average, and a combuination at 6 and 7 that are average and finished is a bad one in my eyes...roll on next year

People have been slating his performances this year (especially against Catalans) but he still offers more than Horne. Sounds like he is p!55ed with Pearson saying they are signing new half backs and has thrown a paddy. It's all about planning for next year now with Horne getting game time at FB. If he will be FB next year I will be surprised as there are many better ones out there. Horne has been poor the past few years. Probably down to injury and playing out of position. The way I see it, if he wasn't a local youngster he would never get into our starting 13. I doubt he would get into many starting 13's in the SL. Hopefully he can prove doubters wrong next season in a more preferred position and if he stays fit.

AP will pay him off.

Where has Seymour been singled out?

Both he and Horne have been moved out of the halves, it's just that Seymour can't play anywhere else.

Correct.

couldnt agree more, the guy is a shadow of his former self.....we should have got rid at least 2 years ago... as ive always said, if horne was an ozzie, he would be looking at this point in his career to move to england, teams such as ourselves as proven in the past, dont mind taking on ex good players and pay them over the odds for 2-3 years....... until that mentallity changes, and it sounds like it is under pearson, them we wont win anything

I'd also point out that Seymour will be on a bigger percentage of the cap and he takes up a quota space.

People saying Seymour is no worse than Horne seem to have missed the fact that Horne has been moved from HB as well. The one advantage Horne has is that he can play elsewhere, and with our shortage of fit players he's still needed. Horne was also included in the 'mediocre' comments by AP so is hardly getting special treatment.

If Pearson does pay him off it wont of been a bad years work for Seymour would it. Lets say he's on 150K and gets severance of 200K for his last two years thats 350K for seasons work

He won't get that much but it will be pretty sizable.

Semour hasn't been too bad this season but his recent performances have shown a lack of desire, this might be a result of him knowing he's going. Either way I would prefer him to be playing but if PG doesn't think he is committed enough then so be it.

McGoldrick/Heremaia in the halves is as poor as it gets.

guess you dont remeber nolan and hewitt or webber and wheeler, they was poor

I agree Horne/Seymour have been crap. But the halves position goes a bit deeper then that.

The last two months our attacking line has become so flat again. Its not neccessarily bad ideas as much as it is everyone reading the play so slowly.

These are the same two players that took the team to one loss from nine at the start of the season.

think Mckinnon leaving didn't help matters but remember Seymour earlier in the season would take on the line, look threatening and get a try here and there,

Quote ="DobboHullFC"Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.'" Makes me think he was part of the deal to bring Chase in, trying to sign Chase could have a big impact on your season!

Quote ="DobboHullFC"Looking like he won't be playing tonight, reading this HDM article; www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In all honesty, he cannot be singled out, horne has done nothing for seasons now, seymour has come in to a totally different setup, although he has not played well of late, his short kicking game has been ok, he tackles and get's stuck in. I think it's way over the top to blame Seymour, and i think it's wrong the way Pearson has pinned it all on him. There is 13 players on the pitch, not one, sorry but I just think it's disgusting to pin the blame publicly like that! Apparantly, Aaron & Goldie at 6 and 7 tonight, how can that be making much needed changes? if you want my honest opinion, gentle's lost the plot tactically. If it comes off tonight, I will not hold my hand up Rant over? thoughts please.'" Makes me think he was part of the deal to bring Chase in, trying to sign Chase could have a big impact on your season!

I think they've both been rubbish, but Seymour more so, but for me the bigger issue is we've got no forwards and until this is addressed whatever half back combination we put out it won't really matter. We will be too light again tonight.

Seems to me we have become very fickle of late. Where is the loyalty towards our players that we always used to show. `In any kind of weather`seems to have gone by the wayside with some of our followers.

Sums it up for me. I think he was OK/reasonable early on and supported him along those lines but his performances of late do smack of someone who isn't too interested in playing for the club for whatever reason.

I find it incredible that some on here spend week after week slating the team in general and players in particular yet as soon as the club's owner effectively agrees with them they disagree with him







To turn the club around AP knows that he will upset players and at times fans alike - the owner and coach know better than anyone on here who the players are who want to play for Hull, who the players are that are good enough, and who is just taking the money and doing the minimum. A massive overhaul is taking place and we're not used to it but it seems like we had better get used to it quick and more importantly so had the players.

For mine,

All our pivots (1,6,7,9) passing speed is so slow, if you compare to HKR, there's no comparison.

Just watched highlights of Wigan yesterday, even their forwards pass faster than our halfbacks, this skill was greatly improved when Maguire took charge.

Maybe some players, think they dont need to improve on this basic skill, hence Gentle's comments "some players are uncoachable"

Agree. Up until about a month ago I was still thinking that he was just struggling with the lack of support and with a good enough halfback partner we might see a different player. Over the last 3 or 4 games he's been poor, though. Still think he could be better with a good partner, but really doubt that will be with us.



Lee and Washbrook springs to mind, could be a night like those days tonight IMO.

I really hope that Seymour is as least on the bench, I don't agree that Seymour has out th effort in either, I think he has been trying too hard to create things, but things just havent gone his way the last couple of week.

Watching last week game, Seymour passing seemed quick enough but slowed down when it got to Horne, did a great fast pass for briscoes first, but he did make a couple of bad errors that resulted in try's.

I still believe that if we drop Seymour gentle has made a mistake, I would go with

1 Horne
6 heremia
7 Seymour.

I guess we will find out tonight.