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| The Club`s recruitment policy should now be looking at our right hand side attack.
With the loss of Gleeson and the failure of Sharp or Lyne to look anywhere near ready we look very weak.
Turner and Whiting are not the answer either for a Club with any ambition.
Gleeson is class but I feel he will never play for us again. He was the reason we were getting away with playing Whiting on the wing . That move is close to David Waite`s descision to play Horne on the wing for GB!
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| The Gleeson situation is a concern, as is our right hand side. Surely Agar will realise this as much as us and be looking to strengthen this area. Despite all his failings his recruitment, identifying what we need and going out and getting it,IMO, has been one of his strengths. Albeit after the season had started this year and with an element of luck.
Saying that though, our right and side has been an issue for a while, throughout Agars reign and yet it still hinders out progress....
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| We definately miss Gleeson, what side wouldn't - but over the last 3 or 4 games I think Turner has benefitted from getting an extended run in the same position - majority of the time with the same winger - rather than being shofted about or dropped. I think the problem with our right side is inside them - The right hand side half. I would like to see Seymour organising that side with Westerman outside him.
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| i think it was phili clarke who said on friday night whitings a loose man playing on the wing, he wasn t a bad stand off in his featherstones days to. he said hes one of the best readings of the game in super league wasn t a bad footballer to prehaps whys hes good on his feet
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| If you watch back Leeds first try you can see Turner telling everyone to slide and gesturing with his hand but Obst and Whiting paid no attention.
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| The same problem has never been solved for many years.
Blacklock,Sing and now Sharp, have been slated ,
the system needs to change - not the players.
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| watching leeds games on sky i ve lost count of the number of tries they score with that long cut out pass to the winger were he walks in
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| Quote ="stulea"watching leeds games on sky i ve lost count of the number of tries they score with that long cut out pass to the winger were he walks in'"
Well it can only be a maximum of 3.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"If you watch back Leeds first try you can see Turner telling everyone to slide and gesturing with his hand but Obst and Whiting paid no attention.'"
Telling people to slide is all right if your actually doing that yourself, Turner does more pointing than tackling at times, even when there's two against two. Get in and tackle and stop fecking pointing.
And having Obst/Long defending in the centre position for me creates more problems in defence than it's worth; a centre and a winger need to get an understanding *See Yeaman and Briscoe* both in attack [iand[/i defence. I know it's to "protect" the halfback from tackling, but if the halves are going to be targeted this is still going to happen, albeit a little bit wider out.
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"Telling people to slide is all right if your actually doing that yourself, Turner does more pointing than tackling at times, even when there's two against two. Get in and tackle and stop fecking pointing.'" Turner does slide a lot the problem is Obst/Whiting not having confidence in him to make the tackle so they get attracted to the ball and leave a simple overlap.
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| Quote ="Benny Elias"We definately miss Gleeson, what side wouldn't - but over the last 3 or 4 games I think Turner has benefitted from getting an extended run in the same position - majority of the time with the same winger - rather than being shofted about or dropped. I think the problem with our right side is inside them - The right hand side half. I would like to see Seymour organising that side with Westerman outside him.'"
Turner has only looked good against the teams quality...Wakey,Quins and salford...says it all really.....he is another graeme Horne.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Turner has only looked good against the teams quality...Wakey,Quins and salford...says it all really.....he is another graeme Horne.'"
Bit harsh to single out Turner, yes he played well against them 3 teams & crap against Leeds, but the full team was rubbish on Friday. I'd leave him there till the end of the season, what harm can it do since our league seasons just about over anyway. Constantly changing his position will do nothing for him at all.
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| Quote ="Manface5000"Bit harsh to single out Turner, yes he played well against them 3 teams & crap against Leeds, but the full team was rubbish on Friday. I'd leave him there till the end of the season, what harm can it do since our league seasons just about over anyway. Constantly changing his position will do nothing for him at all.'"
Just dont rate him at all....not a very good signing and we play him centre when he was playing 13 for Salford.....if our season is just about over...why dont we play Crooks then out of the u-20@s
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| How the hell can anyone miss Gleeson? We should never have signed him and ive said this since there was a possibility of it. He had one good game then a few hit n miss then gone.
Anyway thats by the by as its the whole structure of the team that leaves us poor on the right side. You could swap Manu, Yeaman and Briscoe to that side and it would still be the same.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Just dont rate him at all....not a very good signing and we play him centre when he was playing 13 for Salford.....if our season is just about over...why dont we play Crooks then out of the u-20@s'"
Crooks isn't ready and turner did play at centre a bit for salford . I think turner has done well in the games he's played
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| Quote ="Manface5000"Bit harsh to single out Turner, yes he played well against them 3 teams & crap against Leeds, but the full team was rubbish on Friday. I'd leave him there till the end of the season, what harm can it do since our league seasons just about over anyway. Constantly changing his position will do nothing for him at all.'"
i agree with you there mate cant stand some of our fans to quick to jump on a players back imo turner has been one of the better players over the last few weeks hes really taking that centre spot well. what we need is a decent winger and to get reece lyne in championship for a year he scores for fun in under 20's but needs a run in championship to get him ready people slate him to much wen he plays also and hes only 18 got bags of potential but not ready yet unfortunatly
but what big winger is they whos up for grabs???
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| Quote ="lewis_hullfc"i agree with you there mate cant stand some of our fans to quick to jump on a players back imo turner has been one of the better players over the last few weeks hes really taking that centre spot well. what we need is a decent winger and to get reece lyne in championship for a year he scores for fun in under 20's but needs a run in championship to get him ready people slate him to much wen he plays also and hes only 18 got bags of potential but not ready yet unfortunatly
but what big winger is they whos up for grabs???'"
David Hodgson? OOC and from Hull. Off to rovers though i reckon
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| Quote ="Whiting"David Hodgson? OOC and from Hull. Off to rovers though i reckon'"
yer hes a great finisher and not to bad in defense and i heard the same bout rovers
that worrency looked a handful got bags of pace playing for halifax strong aswell
some one like meli would be nice though pace and the ability to run over wingers lol
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| Whiting IMO was at fault (or at least partly) for 2 trys on Friday and also one last week against Salford, if Sharp had done the same there would have been a 10 page thread about him on here.
Whiting is too slow to defend against a winger as quick as Hall or Broughton, even though I haven't too much faith in Sharp I would be tempted to bring him back next week and have Whiting on the bench in place of Washbrook and Dowes in place of Lauaki.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Whiting IMO was at fault (or at least partly) for 2 trys on Friday and also one last week against Salford, if Sharp had done the same there would have been a 10 page thread about him on here.
Whiting is too slow to defend against a winger as quick as Hall or Broughton, even though I haven't too much faith in Sharp I would be tempted to bring him back next week and have Whiting on the bench in place of Washbrook and Dowes in place of Lauaki.'"
I agree with most of that and said pretty much the same on Friday night. He got stood up against Salford with a simply step by Broughton and was too slow to react again on Friday. Any winger with any pace will always have the upper hand on him.
Like you say Sharp would have been crucified.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Whiting IMO was at fault (or at least partly) for 2 trys on Friday and also one last week against Salford, if Sharp had done the same there would have been a 10 page thread about him on here.'"
Are you suggesting that not all players are dealt with the same on here?
How very dare you.
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| The main problem is the system we play. We have our edge players cramming in and leaving the opposition winger free, with the intention of sliding out once the ball has been passed down the line. Some teams go man for man, for example Wigan. The system we play will mean that we will get caught out time after time with a long miss pass on our right hand side. Most teams prefer to attack down their left side, largely due to right handed players being better passers to this side.
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| In Whitings defence (pardon the pun) look what happened away at Saints when afer a re-shuffle he was in the middle of the park. The final try of the night (one of our best trys of the season) was the kind of try that FC simply don't score - all single handedly created by RW.
Why on earth he's not given more of a go in the middle is still a mystery to me. Instead revert back to Plan B, aka D.Washbrook. Even Cullen hit the nail on head in commentary the other night in his bafflement over that switch.
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| Quote ="lummy"In Whitings defence (pardon the pun) look what happened away at Saints when afer a re-shuffle he was in the middle of the park. The final try of the night (one of our best trys of the season) was the kind of try that FC simply don't score - all single handedly created by RW.
Why on earth he's not given more of a go in the middle is still a mystery to me. Instead revert back to Plan B, aka D.Washbrook. Even Cullen hit the nail on head in commentary the other night in his bafflement over that switch.'"
Said the same about Whiting plenty of times.
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