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| This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.'"
A profitable club is important (see Wakeys board), I fear a few will follow over the next few years.
My only complaint with our club is that we should be investing in a new coach, every other aspect of our club is excellent.
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| Imo in no way would it cost us our grade 'A' the problem is simple.. we have a pretty damn good squad of players already at the club and the only thing missing is A DECENT COACH!!!... 'ya pay pennies, ya get monkeys'.. and a clueless one at that.
But yes, if it was at the cost of the 'A' license to see entertaining rugby then so be it.. after all that is what we pay to see..
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.'"
It's not an either/or question - we should be able to do both. We make a small profit while spending at or near cap, so paying a decent wage for a decent coach shouldn't be an issue.
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| you cant really go wrong having a top class coach ,they arent cheap but overall they bring with them success which puts bums on seats which equals pounds,so its quite simple and why should a club as big as hull settle for second best.we are paying top dollar so we want top players and coaches.the board can cream of us speccies but it wont last.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's not an either/or question - we should be able to do both. We make a small profit while spending at or near cap, so paying a decent wage for a decent coach shouldn't be an issue.'" I understand that but that isn't my question.
It is what would you rather have in a hypothetical situation.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.'"
We don't [uhave[/u anyone willing to bankroll losses and allow the club to trade insolvently. The problem with the current regime is not that they do everything on the cheap, otherwise we wouldn't be spending near the full cap, it's the obsession with cheap coaches. Most fans care only about on the pitch, and quite rightly so. But I would rather hear that we're breaking even than a worrying statement that the club is a viable entity only as long as the current board are in place. The frustration is the golden opportunity to do both is being squandered. FC's infrastructure provides a great platform which the board seem unwilling to leverage on the field.
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| So basically Mrs B you would rather have money in the bank and do totally cr@p on the field, makes sense i suppose and all the while rule and hetherington are laughing as its they're pockets that are been lined, saints are in a far worse situation than most clubs, yet they will go hell for leather to get the best for they're fans. If the team plays well and continues to improve then the fans come, if the clubs continues to be poor fans aint gonna carry on going and wasting money, bit of a vicious circle wudn't you say..............
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I understand that but that isn't my question.
It is what would you rather have in a hypothetical situation.'"
I'd rather have both.
It's a false choice. Not sure what you're trying to achieve TBH.
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| Id rather be skint but play good rugby ala Saints than make money and be gash on the field. You dont support a club so it makes a nice profit, but you do so to see it win and you should always strive to improve and not sit back or even go backwards which is whats happening at Hull FC at the moment. Tbh the club is a total joke and an embarrassment to me.
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| We should be able to have both, use the money we were prepared to spend on Chase/ Sammut and use it on a top coach.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"So basically Mrs B you would rather have money in the bank and do totally cr@p on the field, makes sense i suppose and all the while rule and hetherington are laughing as its they're pockets that are been lined, saints are in a far worse situation than most clubs, yet they will go hell for leather to get the best for they're fans. If the team plays well and continues to improve then the fans come, if the clubs continues to be poor fans aint gonna carry on going and wasting money, bit of a vicious circle wudn't you say..............'"
Given what happened with Lloyd back in the 90's and Wakey last week, and Crusaders last year, not to mention Portsmouth etc its important to have a sound financial base, its not a one or the other situation, nor should it be. As Kosh has said its quite possible and should be desireable to have both (see Leeds for an example)
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| Quote ="gingerspice"So basically Mrs B you would rather have money in the bank and do totally cr@p on the field, makes sense i suppose and all the while rule and hetherington are laughing as its they're pockets that are been lined, saints are in a far worse situation than most clubs, yet they will go hell for leather to get the best for they're fans. If the team plays well and continues to improve then the fans come, if the clubs continues to be poor fans aint gonna carry on going and wasting money, bit of a vicious circle wudn't you say..............'"
And how are your "profits"......we can do both,keep our grade A and still make a profit.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.'"
Short term - Win Silverware (possibly, Obviously that plan didn't help Wakey or Crusaders)
Long Term - Possibly don't have a club. (See Wakey & Crusaders)
Is it really a hard question to answer?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd rather have both.
It's a false choice. Not sure what you're trying to achieve TBH.'" I'm not trying to 'achive' anything
God can't a Rovers fan come on here and even ask a question now
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| Quote ="gingerspice"So basically Mrs B you would rather have money in the bank and do totally cr@p on the field, makes sense i suppose and all the while rule and hetherington are laughing as its they're pockets that are been lined, saints are in a far worse situation than most clubs, yet they will go hell for leather to get the best for they're fans. If the team plays well and continues to improve then the fans come, if the clubs continues to be poor fans aint gonna carry on going and wasting money, bit of a vicious circle wudn't you say..............'" I did ask for this NOT to become a bun fight you know
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I did ask for this NOT to become a bun fight you know
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I wouldnt waste a bun okay point taken.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Short term - Win Silverware (possibly, Obviously that plan didn't help Wakey or Crusaders)
Long Term - Possibly don't have a club. (See Wakey & Crusaders)
Is it really a hard question to answer?'"
Long term- Probably secure (see Hull FC)
Short term- Furious, unhappy fans seeking a boycott (see Hull FC)
Not such a clear choice.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Long term- Probably secure (see Hull FC)
Short term- Furious, unhappy fans seeking a boycott (see Hull FC)
Not such a clear choice.'"
the Same FC that had to merge to remain in existence (rovers fans mention it occasionally you know). Nah, not really a hard choice tbh. Live within your means and play the long game, The frustrating this is, as others have said, the cash is obviously there to spend on a decent coach at the moment, it would pay for itsself in no time atall, so I really can't get my head round why the board won't do that.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This is in no way a trolling post.
This is a constant subject on most of there boards so in all honestly what would you rather have.
A profittable club that seems from the outside to go 'cheap' on the top guy almost everytime or a club living above their means but bringing a certain amount of success (Warrington, Wigan, Hudds, Saints) etc,etc
Also would you give up your 'A' classification if it meant you were better on the field.
BTW those wanting to turn this into a bun fight please don't bother im actually curious to see what you guys think on this subject.
My opinion is that there is obvious pros and cons for both arguements but it depends if you look long term or shorter term.'"
Great question!
Easy answer, as one of the biggest clubs in Super League with the best facilities, strong supporter base we can have both. The only issue is the lack of ambition at the moment. We need one person to come in ruffle the feathers in the boardroom and lead from the top.
Once this is done we can have both!!
Here's a question for you, Hull FC have looked at Wakey and managed to grab a "42inch TV for £100" what did you guys see? Potential situation for Rovers in the next few years? Your chairman said you needed 10kplus to break even last year, you managed just over 8k and continue to splash the cash.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I did ask for this NOT to become a bun fight you know
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What did you expect, most of the KR posters are incapable of answering a question or having a debate as can be seen throughout our threads, your board now resembles the comments section on the HDM site.
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| Quote ="smudgersmith"Great question!
Easy answer, as one of the biggest clubs in Super League with the best facilities, strong supporter base we can have both. The only issue is the lack of ambition at the moment. We need one person to come in ruffle the feathers in the boardroom and lead from the top.
Once this is done we can have both!!
Here's a question for you, Hull FC have looked at Wakey and managed to grab a "42inch TV for £100" what did you guys see? Potential situation for Rovers in the next few years? Your chairman said you needed 10kplus to break even last year, you managed just over 8k and continue to splash the cash.'" Ok seems folks think this is a dig at Hull FC which it isn't so I'll ask another question which may explain it better.
Who would you rather be.
Castleford-Breaking even but little chance of winning anything.
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Warrington-Backed by a money man and the winner of the CC for the last 2 years.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Ok seems folks think this is a dig at Hull FC which it isn't so I'll ask another question which may explain it better.
Who would you rather be.
Castleford-Breaking even but little chance of winning anything.
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Warrington-Backed by a money man and the winner of the CC for the last 2 years.'"
Prefered your original question tbh..
RIght we don't have the 'money man', but we do have the fan base.
Given ppl on here (myself included) don't mind paying money into the club.. ie merchandise, gate prices, season passes etc, the money the fans provided go a long way to the club being in the stable position it is..
So, given the choice of say a £1 increase to home shirts, gate prices and passes, along with agars wage and any profits made yearly should in fact not alter our financial stability much..
If the board was to give the fans this option in return for a decent coach who probably bring the level of rugby we desire then how many of us would say no???..
Say on average £10 quid extra a season for entertainment or.... stay as we are and just complain that its just ..
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| potentially this club could be huge all it would take is for the club to invest money on a top coach and a spend the full cap wisely such as teams like wigan,wire,saints and leeds and thats why they are the top 4. we all know about the the off the field things with which is great dont get me wrong but its becoming abit boring now and like i say potentially this club could get regualar 16 plus thousand every week making shed loads of money and been a top super league team but the club will always hold back and put in place a cheap coach
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