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When the KC was first suggested didn't KR get an option to move in as well, I thought they had?

Whilst I can see an element of a point to their observations, I can't see how any right minded individual can think it's a responsibility of the Council, with finances as they are, to invest in Craven Park?

Think the Council has done plenty for Rovers. They gave them the old Craven Park -And Rovers decided to sell it - so the Council then give them the current land the Craven Park sits on for next to nothing on a 99 year lease.

I wish the Rovers fans would make their mind up. I thought we were just tennants etc etc? Now all of a sudden weve been given massive handouts yadda yadda yadda. If anything Rovers have had far more help from the council than we have. How about these "East Hull Crusaders" actually start looking a bit closer to home and ask Hudge why Rovers isn't being run as a sustainable business rather than asking for yet more handouts.

It is a multi-purpose stadium the council built to accomodate the citys sporting clubs. If one decides to opt out that's up to them, the council has done it's bit.
I don't see how they could justify the spend, no matter how little.

I wonder how many of you would truely of agreed to FC moving if the KC was built in the heart of East Hull...

We wouldn't. We also wouldn't be begging the council to fund something that we'd promised to do ourselves.
While your club have been very good on the pitch, you are a laughing stock off it.

Wouldn't have been bothered in the slightest so long it was a superb venue (which it is) and it would have been closer to home for me.

Oh dear....are the licences coming up for renewal ? sounds like 10,000 worried fans

True but then dont bleat about it afterwards.

The stadium was built for the whole of the city to use for a variety of events. I fail to see how all of a sudden the fact we pay (yes thats right we have to pay) to use the stadium means the council are giving us something for free.

and that is what makes the HDM article laughable, they do not state that the Council run the stadium (via the SMC) as a revenue generator, I'd love to know what the contribution to the council coffers has been, especially compared to what Rovers have paid for Craven Park.

Didn't Rovers originate in West Hull?

Think you played at 4/5 West Hull locations before a 3 year stint at the Boulevard. Infact, wasn't Rovers formed by a load of Hessle Rd boiler makers?

Yes yes and yes the played where Raynors is now with the famous flag edge touch!

wow this is embarrassing

1. The council gave them a new ground when the sold the old caravan park and lifted sporting covenants to allow them to sell areas of the ground to commercial business when times were hard.

2. The dobbins were offered to share the KC stadium, as for the location 2 out of the 3 clubs are based in the west of the city already and not wanting to derail this thread but given the choice where would you like to take away supporters to show the best Hull has to offer west or east Hull?

3. If the 10,000 people who signed the petition turned up every week, the average attendance would be well over 12,000 and money would not be such an issue.

Rovers will be fine for their franchise this time round but in another 3 or 6 years I think they may be scratching around a little.

Your first post was spot on, Digby. HKR have had numerous handouts over the years with the sale of the old CP and being given the school field at way, way below market value being the most glaring. The fans should be asking what happened to all the money from the financial wheeling and dealing on that occasion.

If they can get 10,000 signatures on a petition why can they not get 10,000 fans?

About £50 million of central government money has been pumped (or dumped into the east around Preston Road that is without local redevelopement money and the will be getting quite a lot from the Building Schools for the Future pot.

Have you seen the Freedom Centre with all its computers etc. etc. and free events etc. etc. How much money do they want?

Spot on Martin, As I see it the Council cannot invest in Caravan Park because the public do not own it, Councils cannot invest public money in private enterprise when it comes to improving a companies ability to make more money for themselves. Its no good looking at the KC they had there chance as you said, its a different situation altogether because the SMC pay the Council income from their profits on running the place, which is in the end owned by the Council. I would have moved into the KC if I had been them, but they chose not too! With the Council having to save £80 in three years its hardly a priority is it?

[uSpokesman Mike Joyce told BBC Look North: "In 2002 the council made available £43m for the KC Stadium [home of Hull KR's local rivals Hull FC.

"I'm thinking that somewhere down the line East Hull deserves that sort of sponsorship," he added. [/u


I thought the KC Stadium as Standee says was available to all three clubs initially and Rovers turned it down, prefering to stay and develop Craven Park, which is fair enough but they can't go bleating now that they've missed the boat because Craven Park isn't upto scratch and they have no money now to develop it.

Also if I remember rightly there were many locations around Hull being possible places for the KC Stadium, Kingswood/Sutton Fields being one of them, it begs the question that if the KC was built at Kingswood would they have turned it down or would they have realished it being in East Hull.

Just to be clear, and that rag the HDM can quote me on this.

"Both Hull FC and Hull City have to pay for the priveledge of using the KC. The KC is essentially a money making facility owned by the council that is actually for the benefit of the whole of the city. Why the feck should the tax payers handover money to Rovers to spend on their ground when the city of Hull gets nothing back?"

Im not sure if they even entered into meaningful negotiations/talks in the first place, I think they just had a "dummy spit", a bit like when they tried to block us starting again in the lower leagues.

As Wilf sayd, HCC need to save £80 (million!) over 3 years, so investing in Craven Park isn't really an option.

I don't believe they have 10,000 signatures either, probably 3,000 signatures and 7,000 crosses!

They got to the Guldhall and were offered the chance to come in with the scheme when HUll and City Committed to it. It was part of the Governments agreement to allow the Council to spend its capital programme on the Stadium that all proffessional teams had to be asked, AND that at last two had to agree.

There will be no new stadium in the East because a Council cannot build one to accomodate just one team, their best bet is for the Council to find a way to help them finance improvements via a some arms length company etc. The problem is that Rovers don't seem to be moving forward at all with Ground improvements and they will have to as the RL have said that in the next Franchise round they will and I quote, 'Look very carefully at clubs that are C grade and made promises about their stadiums that they have not kept'. I am sure they won't go, there are probably only one team able to come up, but they have to be careful to be seen to adhere to what they promised.

As a Rovers fan, I happen to agree with you. I refused the petition when it was stuck under my nose in the East Stand a few months ago for that very reason. The city is on the bones of its arris and priority should be given to schools and public services, not developing our ground. I also doubt they have got 10,000 signatures.

I'm not entirely sure if the club are supporting this, there has been little to no comment from them, but its misguided at best, and extremely naive to think they have a big pile of cash leftover from the KC sell off 10 years ago.

Having said that, I think there are a few on here that are also playing silly beggers if they think Rovers should have upped sticks and played on Anlaby Road, it would have killed the club in 2003 just as there were a few green shoots of recovery under Steve Linnane.

What he/she said...

Now you put it like that the headline could maybe read "Hull KR fans try and take money from local school kids and cancer patients?"

Your point about 2003, your average gate was around 1,500 so can you imagine the uproar if you played at KC and had to pay more than Hull FC for the privilege?

If drovers had decided to come in on the KC scheme it would have been built in the Leads road area (East). At the time a certain Paul Caddick was going to build them a new super stadium so they backed out. Unfortunately for Rovers Caddick had a change of heart and left them with what they have now. They have had enough money and favours from this council, blown the lot!!
As for the council giving F.C. a £43million investment, that has to be the joke of the century, IT'S A COMMUNAL STADIUM FOR EVERYONE TO USE (those who can afford). I'm sure there will be more than 10,000 against the council if they dare give KR anymore.

Spot on Martin - finances are too tight right now for unnecessary handouts. Is this really more important than essential council services? Perhaps the streetlights could be switched off in East Hull to pay for it

Then the robbing would be no fun for them