Thought I'd start the ball rolling, I never expected to win with the players we have out but there's no excuse for defending like this, it's looking like being a real embarrassment...

It's just one off individual errors again, we have the worst back line in the top 6 IMO and it really shows against the top teams (e.g. Leeds/Wigan).

and saints with a full team...

I am bored senseless with this. He is an average coach so you get average performance. Meaning by definition that some games are great , some average and some dire . Usually with 27 games 9 will be shocking and sh*te , 9 ok-ish and 9 great-ish. Most muppet Hull fans settle for average.

IMAGINE we signed McGuire

Nah, you was pretty much full strength the first time we played ya wasn't you?

League of 14, 7th is average.

we might have been...but if you remember we blamed the fog..

LOL , aren't we heading to 7th ish , I predicted 6th and would be happy.
By definition we will then win 1 play off game well and lose the next one poor.

Poor sliding defence has cropped up many times this season, should have been highlighted as a problem and coached on the training field before we play a backline of the fecking pies calibre. AGAR OOOOT

Actually I heard Agar say on Humberside we are 4th but may not stay there. Did he mean going up the table or down. Predicting your own team's fall down the ladder is not where I would like our coach to be.

How do you know it wasn't and it's just poor backs that don't execute the plans?

The sliding defence isn't just down to the backs. The whole team get it wrong. It hasn't functioned reliably all season.

If their not conforming to given plans like in previous poor defended games then dont pick them, in that case take a gamble on a youth who will listen who want to progress further

I agree about our backline in the sense that we ought to at least have one or two to ourselves, but failure to backup runners has been symptomatic of Agar's time in charge, as has our poor sliding defence as Kosh says.

I'm just about to press submit as Wigan run another in, could this end up being our worst home defeat?...

To be fair to Agar, failure to back up has been a feature since Bomber left.

We were beaten b4 we came out tonite, you could see it in the teams body language. I didnt expect a win tonite but I cant see how we prepared for this one, it looks like we have not catered for Wigans wrestle in the tackle at all. We should be changing our style to suit the challenges of different opposition and I just cant see that tonite

This is what worries me the most. The number of times we just don't seem to be up for a game is inexcusable IMO.

Agar said on radio we were 4th but may not be there later !! if he was churchill then my name would be Wolfquin Vuegerring

Even if that were true (which it isn't) it amazes me how many people don't get that it's still the managers fault.

Did John Kear go more much much less in hindsight

No. Kear had lost the player Agar quite clearly hasn't. We're 4th. Look at Kear now, he can't even get Wakefield in the top 8.

Err .....?

If Agar hasn't lost the players, what's the excuse for tonight's and the Wakefield performance?

Nope.

I'm not sure all I know is that our captain was singing his praises on TV last night whereas Kear's captain was 'out for the season' only to return the game after Kear left.