My faith is finally starting to disperse from me in its droves at the minute, the feeling of watching Hull has turned into a chore once again and its going to take some real upheaval to drag myself to the remaining games this season and i very much doubt there will be any more away games fitted in as if the players can't be ar$ed then i can't be ar$ed to spend my money too watch it.

Optimism was high at beginning of the season and managed to persuade myself to renew my pass once again but as the old saying goes "shame old different day" pretty much somes us up at the minute, same excuses year after year as always.
If I'm honest i didn't feel this pi$$ed off during the bad days of the pickavance and baildon eras when we was garbage because i new they bloody well tried and it was probably accepted but at the minute its depressing and i can't see the light at the minute I'm ready for the next kick in the teeth of this great club with good players leaving because of the direction this club is going and imo our major sponsor (P&O)won't renew so we'll be up the mire with that as well.

What have we to look forward too? entertainment value doesn't exist that's for sure and i have backed Agar pretty much all the time but I'm the opposite way now, even if we do get to the playoffs it will be embarrassing because the wigans, wire, leeds, saints are light years ahead of us in skill, personnel, fitness etc. Everyone is of the same opinion with regards our playing style so I'm not going to even mention that aspect

Any one got in positives to this great club and the greatest fans who have put up with so much crap for the past 4 years?

Cannot add any positives and i doubt anyone else can. Like everyone else has said the only way things look like they will change is if the club is hit in the pocket.

The positives for this club are off the field in it's financial position. There seem to be no positives on the pitch, we're just getting worse. All the coaching staff need to go, and so does a lot of the current team.

Nothing will change at the club until we get people in the boardroom who want success on the field rather than nice looking shirt sales. Agars contract extension typifies everything wrong with the club.

Quite frankly it looks to me as if all we need is someone who can get the most tactically, and motivationally out of some potentially talented players. There is nothing wrong with the squad, or their ability but half are trying, half aint, our game plan seems to be none existant and they all seem devoid of motivation!

You hang in their because you love your club, and have I guess seen worse. The difference is when we have seen worse over the years gone by we have as a club done something about it. We're just bumping alone at present and I for one am certainly well disolusioned.

Franchising is killing this club off IMO

Just about every other team in the league has used it as an opportunity to plan for the longer term, to develop young talent etc...except HullFC who've seen it as a 'we can't be relegated, so lets slash costs and make more profit' exercise.

when we sacked Sharp in 2008 we were perilously close to relegation, we ended up just 2 points (one win obviously) ahead of Castleford. If relegation was still there do you think the club would have gambled on Agar who had only coached York before? no they'd have done what Wigan did in 2006 (signed Noble and Fielden) and got the cheque book out.

given the clubs chequered financial history, of course it is good to have a strong and stable financial position. But I'm baffled as to why they won't spend the 100k or so a year extra needed for a quality coach, when the returns on this investment would be much higher. Just appearing in the CC final made the club 250k+ for example.

Pretty much how i see it Wilf. We know the majority of the players are capable of so much better as they have done it for us before or they have done it at other clubs. So why do players turn into dross when they come here, it has to be down to the coaches/trainers. We can all see it but it seems the board are happy with it.

I do wonder if the board had the benefit of hindsight would they still have extended Agars contract?

The club is in little danger and its future is pretty secure, so that answers the question posed in the thread title. On the pitch however we are just not going to improve whilst Agar is in charge.

Exactly! The squad is good enough to challenge, and with one change at the top, you would see a huge difference without changing the playing roster. But giving Agar a two year extension means it will be an expensive change. or did we have a 30-day money back guarantee in the contract?! here's hoping!!

The club have failed again to kick on from a promising era in their recent history. The short sightedness of the board not to kick on from 2006 is now what we're reaping.

Based on performances i would say the future is very bleak. Ive watched every game this Murrayfield magic and i can honestly say we are the most boring, one dimensional, passionless team to of taken the field. It is actually painful to watch when you remember how good we was and how attractive the rugby was when Mcrae was in charge just a few seasons ago. But whats more painful is the board seem to think its acceptable, even good quality given the fact that theyve just extended Agars contract. Absolutely unbelievable!

Oh btw thank god for Rovers who are looking equally as carp as us!

To be honest i agree, we have had worse. but we have had better. So i'm fed up of that being wheeled out.

The current situation is very bad, before "when its been worse" it usually finished in relegation, then the club would take action. Now we are guaranteed SL so whay change it?

Isn't just me then.
Depressing times ahead i feel, with no doubt some more poor excuses coming. As Bones mentioned we should of kicked on from 2006 but incredible we have gone massively backwards while everyone has stuck 2 fingers up as they have gone by on the playing field.

Are we?

A shiny stadium won't be enough to win a franchise if we set up permanent residence in the lower half of the table and crowd numbers dwindle.

Guaranteed for at least another 9yrs

While theres other clubs suffering worse off the field and on it we'll be safe for the next 6 years at least

Assuming the RFL use the same criteria over that period.

And given their track record on chopping and changing the rules...

Yes, the finances and facilities mean they'll not kick us out in the next 9 years .... there are at least 6 clubs that will go before us and do you really think there are clubs in the lower leagues that can replace us?

I agree we are shoite on the pitch and Agar is clueless but any talk of losing our franchise because of it is utter rubbish.

I agree that we have a very solid franchise. But, if I were at the RFL and put aside the checklists and criteria, what do we actually bring to the competition? From an external perspective we make admin feck-ups that attract adverse media coverage, are generally dour and poor quality when our games are televised and Chav Corner is hardly a draw in the eyes of away supporters. Apart from the ability to boost Super League's average attendance, would the competition be damaged if we were replaced with, say, Widnes? I know it won't happen, but I do think we have an inflated view of our own importance sometimes.

We still bring far more than the majority of the league, yes we are going through a rubbish spell right now but lets not forget we are the only club from outside the "big 4" to ever compete in a Grand Final. Warrington are now at their optimum potential after years of trying and still get less through the gates than us, a club that as clearly under achieved every year since 2006. As for away fans, we could have the most welcoming of grounds and they still would find an excuse not to travel, the chav corner excuse is just that.... an excuse.

We have been aweful in past seasons, some real bad times over the years, but this is different this time round. This time its not lack of money that is forcing down our ability to compete, we should be enjoying a purple patch of success with the all funds, players, fans and the KC stadium instead its pure dross.

WHY IS THAT ?

Mediocrity has become a byword, FC fans seem to be incapable now of telling good rugby league from bad, good players from bad and the truth from spin. Too many FC fans except or have excepted whatever they have been served up in recent years. To speak out against the clubs board has been at times bordering high treason, to even suggest that the club have been using the fans as there own personal bank is not going to far now.

I know we owe some of them for saving the club way back in 2000 that is true, but who exactly got the better deal really. They came to our club with debts from Gateshead of around £600k in one season, ok we had over £1 Million in debt and we where down and out. We would have risen again in time, they would have lost everything on the Gateshead venture. They did turn the club around and they have made a decent living out of it as well and are still doing that, but do they take the urine at times ?

I remember a conversation way back in 2005 about the coach prices to Cardiff, we had gone earlier to Bridgend to play London and EYMS where estimating the costs would be the same. The day trip to Bridgend cost £30 ( the club made a profit on that price) a head and that was going to be the price for Cardiff until a member of the board changed it too £45, "They will pay it for a final ". Hull took over 30 official coaches to Cardiff and at 49 seats worked out at over £22,000+ extra profit for the club on top of the massive amounts they where taking on other things at the time. Thats is indicative of the way things work at FC, profit above everything. Now whilst I agree with the club a profit and run well I being able to run at do feel at times they go for the cheapest option where they are paying, they opt for the dearer options when we are paying. They use many channels to convey the message they wish to project, they have become very good at it and they may yet turn this around. They will try to put some spin on it and I reckon the fans will start getting some stick of players and coaching staff, [i"a section of fans not getting behind the players" [/i

The future should be full of promise, its not because the mistakes that where made years ago are still being made. The last proper paid up coach we had was Bomber and when he left so did the boards thinking on hiring a coach on the salary he should get. That was Johns problem doing a full coaches job on an assistants salary and so it goes on and until some one stops the bloody roundabout it will continue. The board seem to think bringing in a top player shoul bring success, the coach is not a vital cog in the scheme of things. Perhaps its better as well if you do as your told too, again one or two of our ex coaches had a tendancy to rebel now and again.

Bomber and the case of the missing Ali Lauitiiti







As long as the club are making money then nothing will change, if it does not then there could be some massive changes and maybe some very painful ones for all of us.

We've already lost a point for failing to make the top 8 two seasons in a row. If we carry on being crap long enough then crowds will fall, impacting on finances. More points lost. We can't control what happens with other clubs so can't rely on them continuing to be a worse prospect than us.

We're in no immediate danger, but if we continue to fail on the pitch then we could be at risk eventually.

Think the answer is obvious,play all of our games in thick fog.There are two advantages to this.We can bamboozle a class side,AND we don`t have to endure watching the buggers play.