looking at the squad,with washy at loose man floating around surely makes hull a bit more of a attacking team,washy is good at this and provides a link out wide,when he had a run at loose man he often broke the line,with the pack we have this week,only makes me think we will throw the ball around,at last
if washy plays like another prop,like agar has got fitzy doing it proves to me that agar is a poor tactition,

You dont say !!!

Washbrook might be a Hull lad, and a very good club man, but he just isn`t good enough at Super League level. A good Championship player, yes, but compare him to the half backs and loose forwards at most Super League clubs - he is not big enough, and/or certainly not quick enough. If we have to rely on him in a key position, we will never challenge the top teams.
Whiting should be loose forward. Yes, before you come back at me, I know he lacks genuine pace, but, he thinks twice as quickly as other players, has all the skills, and is big and deceptively strong.

Its an interesting idea, but not one that Agar would have the balls to go through with, although under Peter Sharpe Washbrook looked like a great prospect at 13, he defended well despite not been the biggest and was a threat in attack not only running the ball but offered good service out wide too, but we now play with and extra front rower instead of a 13.

You are assuming Washy is:
A: going to make the 17
B: Be played in his best position

2 very big assumptions considering the way some of the team selections have gone.

Washy may just get a game at 13 tomorrow with Fitz and Radders both out. Wont surprise me though if Turner plays there with Washy at 6 and Horne at 7.

If they go with a Horne/Washbrook halfback pairing again, I may have to take a protest poo on the centre spot.

To be fair Washy on the halves the last 2 games has resulted in us scoring more points that usual.

In that case, we should get rid of Long altogether!

Over the last couple of years our wingers only seem to get a pass of the ball when Washy plays.

I'm not saying Washy is the answer but Horne and Turner for example could learn a lot from him in that regard imo.

I've noticed absolutely no difference in the amount/quality of service our winger gets when Washbrook plays. Not even a little bit.



I don't think there's anything Horne could learn from Washbrook in terms of halfback play. It remains to be seen whether Turner will be a better option or not.

You mean the two games which were dead and buried before 60 minutes was up and thus resulted in the opposition take their foot off the pedal somewhat?

Spot on! That's the difference he has a brain and it's dyed in the wool rugby league brain at that. He's wasted on the wing and let's face it although he makes a decent fist of it he's hardly winger material. He is quite simply a loose forward.

What he said.

And TBH I'm far more concerned about our defence than our attack ATM.

agar thinks defence is de thing that goes around de garden

Got to agree looked good at times when I attack, maily when Manu and Tansey have the ball though. defence is a massive issue at the moment.

You didnt see the 4 tries Briscoe got away v Leeds or the fact that Yeamo was able to receive the ball early and put Briscoe away v Leeds at home?

Is it a coincidence? Thats my challenge.

Our inability to win the collision defensively and hold down is really costing us. Other teams have done it to us for years now and we just dont learn.

I didn't go to Leeds away, no. I did see the home game, however, and I saw, once again, that Washbrook is not, and will never be, a viable option at halfback.

The service received by the wingers when he plays is no different to when he doesn't play, from what I've seen. Out of interest, are there any games you can think of where he's had a positive influence from halfback, in which the opposition haven't already put their cue in the rack by half time?

I'm not putting our last 2 attacking scores entirely down to Washy and appreciate that the opposition may have slacked off slightly in both games but i dont agree with the stick Washy gets on here. He has lost most of his pace from a couple of years ago but i think he's done a really good job for us in the halves the last couple of games. Thats said, he's a 13 and Agar needs to play him there.

I still think Washy has the ability if given the chance to become a great 13 and a future club captain.

Agreed. Most of our defeats have come from poor defensive displays. These in turn have occurred because of a lack of intensity in line speed, not getting enough men in the tackle, and at times a pathetically lacklustre kick chase.

I'm not giving him stick as such, merely pointing out that he's not a halfback and that the Horne/Washbrook pairing has failed so many times it's just not funny.

He'll probably make a decent 13, though I wouldn't say 'great'. On current form, Whiting has to be ahead of him for the loose forward berth if Fitz leaves or retires (or is moved to prop).

On current form Whiting would be ahead of anyone in the 13 including Turner and Horne at 6.

I agree. And yet he's on the wing.

I don't know why we don't play our international winger there and move Whiting to SO.

Seriously though, id we had the choice i'd prefer Whiting at 6 and Turner on the wing that the other way round should it happen.