......................that Tony Smith fella seems to be doing pretty well with a team that isn't "his"

i know, just like agar did last year.

Rule is a complete idiot for saying that he shouldn't be judged seeing as it isn't Agars team. He's incharge of the set of players he has, and it's his job to get them playing well together etc.
Just like Tony Smith has.

He also has plenty of quality in that team that [iisn't his[/i

obviously the job of a coach is to bring in players and NOT play with what he has got

Shhh .... you're not supposed to mention that he has only achieved the same as Agar, Warrington are the club most on here aspire to be.

Just goes to show how some people are happy with mediocrity.

And you can stop talking sense too.

Richard Agar isn't fit to hold Tony Smith's clipboard.

True .... so why the fook are people trying to compare the 2?

Because while I accept that Wire do have a better squad than us, the turnaround they have achieved since replacing a guy with no experience with a proven winner goes some way to proving how much better we would be doing if we employed a coach of similar ability and stature.

9th place and runners up to Saints in the Cup? whoopee do a whole 2 places ahead of where Agar took us to last season and he has a far better squad

8th Actually

You're just being facetious

you know perfectly well the point I'm making. And Smith didn't even need to sign all the players himself to achieve it.

Tony Smith: Great coach
Agar: Worst coach in SL

It makes a difference to how a team performs.

He's got the 'penalty machine' doing his job and not giving away penalties, he's got a hooker that 'wanted' to play scrum half back in his best position at hooker.
He's got my hero 'Mozza' leading by example, he's got their 'talisman' back into the game, he's got our old prop playing like he never has.
He's got them playing FOR EACH OTHER which has brought out and enhanced the latent talent of each and every one in his team.

Pretty much fits the job description of a good coach, IMO




And what have we got..............................

Nail on the head

im not saying agar will be a great coach,but he s only been in charge just over a year.in smiths first year of coaching huddersfield,they where relegated.he then started bringing in new signings,picked his own men and huddersfield where soon back in super league.

Wrong.

Agar has been in charge for a year too long. Smith got relegated with a team worse than Celtic are now, however much the ostriches around here like to blame the players, we have a squad ten times better than that Huddersfield side. Nothing Agar has done since he took charge has shown the slightest sign that he is capable of coaching at this level, the man is an embarrassment to our club.

most of this squad are distinctly average.if a new coach took over tomorrow 60% of them would be on there way.

Last season and this season, had there been relegation we would have been in a dog fight to stave it off. Having survived that first 'dog fight' you would have thought the employers would have been looking for reasons to terminate his contract.
Now we are in a 'hypothetical relegation dog fight' yet again, it really does throw a great deal of doubt over the boards wisdom in retaining a coach with (injuries aside) such inept skills, not only as coach but also his whole persona comes across as 'a small boy in a big boys playground', and really doesn't promote our great club to the level it historically derserves.

Or playing to their best potential, thats what a coache's job is, it's not about the the Lou and Andy mentallity of 'I dont want that one, I want that one'

I for one know that we have to give Agar next season to prove his self with all the rumors and every thing else that goes on players not wanting / willing to play for him .I bet they are willing to take their wages at the end of the month .
With the players that are rumored to be coming and going we shoud have a very very different line up next year . I have watched Carvell and to be honest I think he made the right move in leaving Hull FC . You watch teams play and all the back slapping etc that goes on the team spirit, we do not have any of that . We need to get the TEAM back together again and playing for each other.I do not profess to know the answers because I don't but we have an army of fans out here that want to follow a team that is contesting week in and week out, not when they feel like it .I walked out last week before the final try but when watched back on boots and all we was not far away just a bit unlucky in the first 20 30 minutes then when F/all came off our team might as well of gone home because they lost all interest .