Anyone else listening to him on the radio? Jesus, he's easily pleased, 'oh you can't knock the effort, we had a few injuries etc etc. Excuse after excuse after excuse, why can't he just hold his hand up and say 'we werent good enough'? It's embarassing tbh and I'm sick of his pathetic excuses.

He is out of his depth simple as that.

Guys you are being a tad harsh IMO (albeit based on one game) - I thought your make-shift team did try and the effort was there no doubt.
However, consider your missing players list:-

Missing List
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Tony
Briscoe
Byrne
Raynor
G Horne
Berrigan
Radford
Manu
Crocker
Lauaki

All of these, but mainly the ones in bold are very good players to have missing against any team.

You must have been doing something right under Agar to be on 14 points?

No, simple answer, the bloke is clueless. We had you over a barrel at 12-0 and any decent team would have kicked on, but we as we always do decided to defend a lead rather than extend on it.

I agree...once we had the lead other teams kick on and capitalise on that...not us...we just collapse..

Thank you Wirefan for a sensible post. What is so bad about what is by any standards a seriously weakened side trying its best but eventually succumbing to a team with much less injuries and more quality. And why is to so wrong for Agar to point this out?

I'll just say what I said after the Wakey defeat (or was it the Salford one, I forget) Agar is a decent bloke but out of his depth as a SL head coach. It was a ridiculously rushed appointment that has come home to roost.

Handbrake you must seriously have your leeds blinkers on.

Crocker and luaki never hull players anyway.

Sorry but im quoting directly from my Mummy here "You cant miss what you never had son" so how the hell can Crocker and Lauaki be included in that line up?

that is it, we cant put teams to bed, we havent a clue.

EXACTLY!!!!!!! Even when we won early in the season we took alead and defended it. Saints/Leeds take a lead and look to increase it we play boring percentage rugby and hope we get something out of it.

I think you are looking through angered specs at this a little.

Yes you went 12-0 up but lets be honest we were completely dire in that first half and your game plan was to keep us pinned in our half with good defence and an excellent kicking game - and boy it worked. Our first try was well executed but in reality, we offered little in response due to your dogged defence and constant touch finders holding us in our half.

It was only in the second 40 that our pack woke up. Our front row was our best available and our interchange was very strong. We had no injurys and we simply tightened our game plan in the second half and used our more experienced bigger pack in order to dominate the second 40.

There was little you could do in response with a young and leader lacking side. Chris Thorman made our job easier with poor kick options, but other than that, without your skillfull and stronger, experienced players it was always going to be tough for you.

Its not the clubs fault that Crocker's Visa was refused twice. Clearly while this was being sorted you could hardly have recruited anyone else in the meantime, so I think he can be included. Had he not been signed, he would have been replaced with someone of equally good quality (salary cap space).

Its not Agar's fault as his hands are tied on that one.

Pretty good summary for mine.

If we'd had a decent kicking game we'd have likely held out for the win. What's made everyone so angry is that we've lacked a proper Scrum Half for years, and yet we go and sign Thorman.

Crocker and Luaki will probably constitute £200K+ of this year's salary cap so it is obvious their absence, just like any injuries, will contribute to why our team is not as strong as we'd like.

They still were never nor have never been Hull FC Players being as they have never touched a ball in that strip.
For all intents and purposes we should be handed the league and cup now as according to some of our fans in the "know" we have signed lockyer and prince for the last 2 seasons, they have never pulled a shirt on yet.

No point coming on here and talking sense mate.
It won't do any good.

You have, however, had others playing in their place. We haven't.

If you're really too dim to see the difference I'm amazed that you manage to operate a PC.

You are missing the point.. The two players HAD signed for the club hence taking up cap space. Whist the Visa issue was being sorted the clubs hands were tied - You were expecting them to play for Hull FC and thats that. Now you know they will not be, you now have, what, £250k free rattling around from the cap in place of a damn fine player - hence you are missing a player.

Like i said mate.You are banging your head against a brick wall trying to get through to some people on here.

not everyone just fhuckabucket

Woah there nelly, there is no need to get insulting.
Surely your "Dim" as you put it board should have had a plan B?
What about this super dooper amazing fantastic best in the world youth setup your always banging on about, you telling me your team has gone to pot because 2 Johnny Foregniers have not showed up, now now your lot are always telling us off for relying on them lot

Last time.. then I am retiring.. We were talking about ALL of the Hull FC players out not, just Crocker and Lauaki - 10 in fact. I challenge you - whoever you support - to take out 10 top class players and expect to win a game in SL?

Its not a case of banging against a wall, this is not the first season though is it?
Did you ever replace
Cookie?
Briscoe?
Chester?
And by replace i mean with equal or greater value to the team on the feild.

Were you the fans not told Dobbo was not good enought to pull on the Black and White but not to worry as you have got Thorman.

I do understand what you mean by missing Crocker because you now have nothing to replace him with but had youknown that he could not come there was no garantee that you could get someone with the same impact he would have had.