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| I'm not quiet about the fact that I really rate the guy and really beleive that if he's given the patience Yeaman was given he will become international class.
A couple of stats from last season...
Played 22 games
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Scored 13 tries
6th in Clean Breaks stat (5 from top)
Its rumoured (and it is only a rumour) that Agar is not his biggest fan.
Just wondered what other people thought of him? Is it last chance saloon for him already? Should he be given an extended run in the right centre position?
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I'm not quiet about the fact that I really rate the guy and really beleive that if he's given the patience Yeaman was given he will become international class.
A couple of stats from last season...
Played 22 games
12 at Centre
3 at FB
1 at Centre
1 at Stand Off
5 on the bench.
Scored 13 tries
6th in Clean Breaks stat (5 from top)
Its rumoured (and it is only a rumour) that Agar is not his biggest fan.
Just wondered what other people thought of him? Is it last chance saloon for him already? Should he be given an extended run in the right centre position?'" [i
Great maths, Would never have known that....
I do however also rate Craig Hall think given the time and patience in one position will take his development that bit further to as you say maybe international class, at the end of the day you cant argue with the stats![/i
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| Quote ="antonyhull"[i
Great maths, Would never have known that....
I do however also rate Craig Hall think given the time and patience in one position will take his development that bit further to as you say maybe international class, at the end of the day you cant argue with the stats![/i'"
I meant 5 clean breaks from top spot not 5 places.
Just to add the leader Scott Donald played 24 full games in one position.
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I'm not quiet about the fact that I really rate the guy and really beleive that if he's given the patience Yeaman was given he will become international class.
A couple of stats from last season...
Played 22 games
12 at Centre
3 at FB
1 at Centre
1 at Stand Off
5 on the bench.
Scored 13 tries
6th in Clean Breaks stat (5 from top)
Its rumoured (and it is only a rumour) that Agar is not his biggest fan.
Just wondered what other people thought of him? Is it last chance saloon for him already? Should he be given an extended run in the right centre position?'"
yes. i'd hate to see him forced out of the club.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"yes. i'd hate to see him forced out of the club.'"
even if he isn't doing as his coach requests?
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| Rate Hall very highly, and this is a big year for him.
One of our best attacking weapons, just needs to improve his decison making and strenght (which hopfully he has done in the summer), we have know other player who can score trys out of nothing like he does.
He is still young. Very excited about the prospect of him and Briscoe in the team this year.
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| Quote ="Standee"even if he isn't doing as his coach requests?'"
If the rest of the squad were following the coaches requests then its the coach that wants shafting after some of the performances
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| Quote ="Standee"even if he isn't doing as his coach requests?'"
tbf i dont really know whats going on with him, if its true then hes forcing himself out of the club and i would hate to see it as he has so much potentail.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"tbf i dont really know whats going on with him, if its true then hes forcing himself out of the club and i would hate to see it as he has so much potentail.'"
like you, I only know what I hear, there must be some reason why Hall (it would appear) has fallen down the pecking order, I just hope everyone concerned is working together to sort it out as Hall is a natural talent.
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| too weak, cant tackle, poor decision making, selfish and always attempts the superstar play. id love hull to play against a side with him in it
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| Quote ="Bighead"too weak, cant tackle, mickey poor decision making, selfish and always attempts the superstar play. id love hull to play against a side with him in it'"
Well your lucky enough been a rovers fan, your team plays against him in the derbies!
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I'm not quiet about the fact that I really rate the guy and really beleive that if he's given the patience Yeaman was given he will become international class.
A couple of stats from last season...
Played 22 games
12 at Centre
3 at FB
1 at Centre
1 at Stand Off
5 on the bench.
Scored 13 tries
6th in Clean Breaks stat (5 from top)
Its rumoured (and it is only a rumour) that Agar is not his biggest fan.
Just wondered what other people thought of him? Is it last chance saloon for him already? Should he be given an extended run in the right centre position?'"
He's clearly a very gifted player in attack with plenty of pace. However, you didn't show his placing in the errors table, where he was 6th in the comp and 3rd on a per match basis. This is the issue for me, as well as his weak defence. Having re-watched all Hull's games televised 2008 games recently his decision-making is very poor at times. Yes, he's still young, and yes we could compensate for his defensive frailties by shoring up that side with Horne and Crocker, but for me Briscoe is the better all-round prospect at this stage.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Briscoe is the better all-round prospect at this stage.'"
especially if Briscoe is getting his head down and doing as he's told, instead of getting ahead of himself and his ability, courtesy of a pushy parent.
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| Quote ="Standee"even if he isn't doing as his coach requests?'"
You don't know what your talking about pal.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"You don't know what your talking about pal.'"
well inform us. hes already put he doesn't know for certain.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"well inform us. hes already put he doesn't know for certain.'"
This ridiculous nonsense about not listening to the coaches is nauseating.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"This ridiculous nonsense about not listening to the coaches is nauseating.'"
well whats the problem and how do you know?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"well inform us. hes already put he doesn't know for certain.'"
You should know by now that GG just flits between here and the KR board, pretending to be knowledgable and infomred and then goes missing when asked for details.
I have heard from quite a few people that Hall has an ego problem, couple that with the fact that Agar wasn't picking him regularly and I tend to believe it, as opposed to a faceless "fan of RL in Hull"
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| Quote ="Standee"You should know by now that GG just flits between here and the KR board, pretending to be knowledgable and infomred and then goes missing when asked for details.
I have heard from quite a few people that Hall has an ego problem, couple that with the fact that Agar wasn't picking him regularly and I tend to believe it, as opposed to a faceless "fan of RL in Hull"'"
People should know better than to listen to anything standee say, he's jusy a moaning out of towner.
Nothing wrong with Hall's 'ego' as you put it and if you think that everything Agar says or does is right you are indeed a bigger fool than even i thought you were.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"well whats the problem and how do you know?'"
He is easy pickings coz he's young. Just ask Washy the real reason he lost the 13 jersey. Agar is weak beleive me.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"He is easy pickings coz he's young. Just ask Washy the real reason he lost the 13 jersey. Agar is weak beleive me.'"
In a dance off
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He's clearly a very gifted player in attack with plenty of pace. However, you didn't show his placing in the errors table, where he was 6th in the comp and 3rd on a per match basis. This is the issue for me, as well as his weak defence. Having re-watched all Hull's games televised 2008 games recently his decision-making is very poor at times. Yes, he's still young, and yes we could compensate for his defensive frailties by shoring up that side with Horne and Crocker, but for me Briscoe is the better all-round prospect at this stage.'"
Thats what I meant when I said about giving him the patience.
Much gets said about his negatives far more than his positives. We're a club that year on year fails to match the attacking power of the bigger clubs we aim to match so when a natural attacker comes along we shouldn't ignore it.
He has his negatives but as ive said before so did Yeaman and Cooke and they were given the chance to work through them. I honestly feel a lot of Halls problems are to do with confidence and tending to panic when playing against the big boys. Experience will sort that.
Briscoe is nowhere near ready for the Centre spot yet. What we saw last season was a player with great strength and a fantastic sense of balance, all individual play. He'd cover well as a winger this season but start throwing him in at Centre where he will need more than individual skill and we would seriously risk damagin his confidence.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"People should know better than to listen to anything standee say, he's jusy a moaning out of towner.'"
ooh, how very clever, using the fact that I live out of Hull as a reason not to listen to me.
Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Nothing wrong with Hall's 'ego' as you put it '" people I know, and respect, say otherwise (and people who don't hide behind an internet login too)
Quote ="Gordon Gekko"and if you think that everything Agar says or does is right'"
probably the most laughable comment of yours so far, my opinion on Agar is well documented, I remain to be convinced that he will succeed, but I do accept that we are now his team to coach, he will stand or fall by his decisions, he obviously had reason not to pick Craig in a regular spot last season, maybe that will have changed with a full closed season, nobody knows as yet.
Quote ="Gordon Gekko" you are indeed a bigger fool than even i thought you were.'"
your opinion counts for little.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"He is easy pickings coz he's young. Just ask Washy the real reason he lost the 13 jersey. Agar is weak beleive me.'"
i cant ask washy he wont be my friend on facebook, but as you know i'll ask you.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"i cant ask washy he wont be my friend on facebook, but as you know i'll ask you.'"
Because Washy would kick up the stink that Tickle would.
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