Without wanting this to turn into a slanging match, can anyone realsitcally see us winning a GF with these 2 in charge?

Maybe depends if we can get a couple of decent signings next season, which would include a top scrum half.

Agar played a massive part the last time we reached a grand final

We need more than a couple of decent signings.

yes

Good call

Not a chance. the cuckle brothers would do a better job! Agar is way out of his depth!

Did he?

If our recruitment was right then yes I believe they have the potential to get us to a GF and win it. It might not be the most attractive rugby to watch but I believe they can be successfull. Then again I would say that with most coaches in SL, with the right players it becomes easier. That said I would still replace them at the end of the season if I had the choice.

I think next year will be make of break for them, if they get the recruitment right for 2010 and we still fail to impress then the club would have no choice but to get rid, hopefully we do get the recruitment right and kick on and challenge for silverware.

Echo your thoughts there Paul, we've attracted Fitzgibbon i know i may bang on about it people may think his best times have gone, but personally think for us to attract such a signing is still an achievment and if the club go the right way about it, we could come away with a huge signing i.e. a scrum half.

But thats wishing this season our wishes havent come true, far from it, but i beleive our team and our club are in good hands and i dont care what anyone else thinks on our day we can beat anyone, and attract anyone, we just have top be doing the right things and personally i think its only round the corner.

He won 11 matches (I believe)on the bounce when he was temporary head coach before Sharpe came, this played a huge part in where we finished

Was he Hell....believe it was 4 and he lost the 1st one V Leeds.

Then went on to win the next 13 games

Check the website

Did he?

Agar himself claims to have had little to do with our winning run. The players, having got rid of Kear, knuckled down and fought for each other. There were no significant changes to the team or the way they played. Agar's contribution was to basically stand back and let them get on with it.

Wasn't sharp in charge by then?

And when did PS arrive?

Its wrong.......Sharp was here for the Wigan match but let Agar continue with it.

well he did did contribute then, he managed it as he saw fit, wonder who picked the squad, the waterboy maybeicon_lol.gif

The squad was the same as when Kear was picking it.

I agree and disagree, the players attitude was poor under Kear and they obviously wanted to impress their new coach also...but I think Sharp deserves some credit for sorting the defense and intensity out, we started playing for 80mins every week whereas even under Kear we'd blow hot and cold and lose games we were dominating (managing to lose a 16 or 18-0 lead at half time to wigan at home in 2005 being a prime example)

unfortunately for Sharp and the club Sharp isn't a head coach (rubbish with the media, poor recruitment) but I still think he'd be a good coach or assistant for somebody

A lot of different accounts here
Sharpe arrived
Sharpe let Agar carry on
Kear picked the team, and then the team picked themselves








As much as it may pain some Agar did play a massive part in us reaching the G/final that year.

Doubt it but a couple of top signings would point us in the right direction.

In fact they dont have to even be top signings, if we had Brett Hodgson and Dobson in our side for next season we would be challenging IMO.

These two werent top signings just good ones in the correct positions.

I do believe Richard Swain had more influence in getting Hull to the GF than either Agar or Peter Sharp.

exactly, signing the big name isn't always the best option

Nobody said that the team picked themselves. The point you've missed is that Agar pretty much changed nothing after Kear left and yet we started winning. This was down to the change in the players attitude once Kear left.

Peter Sharp came in part way through that winning run, so Agar wasn't even acting coach for the whole of it nor our GF visit.


I'd be happy to consider any evidence you might have to back that up.