[quote="bishops finger":1utkhcfg]I'll get hammered as a troll no doubt but for me you've got Ese ese Asiata, Cartwright and Rapana that have real quality, then you've got some talented young lads, I like Moy, he's very exciting BUT still very small. Balmforth, Staveley and Martin look very promising, but as promising as they look are they om a par with the young kids that Wigan produce? IMO no.[/quote:1utkhcfg] No I don't think that's unfair. The 4 you mention are the 4 that I am sure will produce. But there are plenty of others who are proven SL players. Might not rip up any trees but they are experienced and dependable and should help right the ship during this transitional period we are clearly in. Cust is perhaps the most interesting one. I actually think he could prove to be an inspired signing, but he also could just fall into that previous category. The thing that sets Wigan apart is the volume of quality youngsters. Year after year they seem to be able to roll a bunch more off the production line. But in terms of quality I don't think they currently have anyone breaking through that is streets ahead of a Moy, Balmforth, Martin or Staveley. I think those 4 in particular have the ability to be anything with the right coaching. And there are some other very promising kids too.

[quote="Mr. Zucchini Head":ozzhwg7r]No I don't think that's unfair. The 4 you mention are the 4 that I am sure will produce. But there are plenty of others who are proven SL players. Might not rip up any trees but they are experienced and dependable and should help right the ship during this transitional period we are clearly in. Cust is perhaps the most interesting one. I actually think he could prove to be an inspired signing, but he also could just fall into that previous category. The thing that sets Wigan apart is the volume of quality youngsters. Year after year they seem to be able to roll a bunch more off the production line. But in terms of quality I don't think they currently have anyone breaking through that is streets ahead of a Moy, Balmforth, Martin or Staveley. I think those 4 in particular have the ability to be anything with the right coaching. And there are some other very promising kids too.[/quote:ozzhwg7r] I'm not saying that fc's youngsters aren't good enough, but for me there still 2 or 3 years off being fully developed, Wigan have Nsemba, Hill and Eckersley that are maybe a year older but far bigger and imo far better, I think now that fc have these two loaded guys on board the whole idea of not wanting to block the pathway of the youngsters may well go out of the window, especially if they don't see the club improving quick enough. Just an observation obviously

[quote="bishops finger":11uv78pe]I'm not saying that fc's youngsters aren't good enough, but for me there still 2 or 3 years off being fully developed, Wigan have Nsemba, Hill and Eckersley that are maybe a year older but far bigger and imo far better, I think now that fc have these two loaded guys on board the whole idea of not wanting to block the pathway of the youngsters may well go out of the window, especially if they don't see the club improving quick enough. Just an observation obviously[/quote:11uv78pe] Balmforth is big for a hooker. Staverly big lad to. Hard to judge against Nsemba as the bloke is bigger than most SL players. Wigan are far ahead of all teams in this respect. But we have Martin. Barron.Moy. Balmforth. Staverly.Who could certainly step up in the next year. Plus we have others waiting in the wings.

[quote="bishops finger":3m4jhesk]I'm not saying that fc's youngsters aren't good enough, but for me there still 2 or 3 years off being fully developed, Wigan have Nsemba, Hill and Eckersley that are maybe a year older but far bigger and imo far better, I think now that fc have these two loaded guys on board the whole idea of not wanting to block the pathway of the youngsters may well go out of the window, especially if they don't see the club improving quick enough. Just an observation obviously[/quote:3m4jhesk] Time will tell I suppose. I expect money will get thrown around on certain targets, but Myler has been around the game long enough to know that splashing out on players can only get you so far in Super League. It's a tight salary cap, and whilst you might strike it lucky with a group of players every now and then (see Hull FC 2016/17) it's all going to unravel when the squad starts to age, or when contract renewal time comes around and guys want to get paid etc. The only proven method of sustainable success is to have that academy production line consistently turning out 2 or 3 quality players per season, and supplement that with the big star signings, and that's clearly where we want to try to get to.

[quote="bishops finger":1o2e1car]but as promising as they look are they om a par with the young kids that Wigan produce? IMO no.[/quote:1o2e1car] I see what you’re saying but not all the youngsters Wigan produce are superstars like Tomkins. Look at the 3 you’ve got, Gildart, Davies and Burgess. All 3 had success with Wigan and top SL players, I don’t see why the likes of Martin and Barron can’t be at least as good as them even the likes of Litten and Charles have something about them just need a bit more physical development. I don’t think the Wigan lads age 18-19 are particularly better than anyone else, just the overall environment is better. Now Hull seemingly don’t have to worry about money short term and diverting cash from elsewhere to the first team the challenge for Myler is to recreate that Wigan, Leeds and Saints environment for young players. He’s making the right noises only time will tell.