[quote="bishops finger":3f5fnj5h]Hull, there's not a lot of real quality in there, some interesting kids yes, but there probably still 2/3 years away from being ready, you'll be fitter without a doubt but I just can't see you higher than tenth.[/quote:3f5fnj5h] I actually think our pack is amongst the better ones in the league. Ese'ese and Asiata are two of the best in SL (injury question marks next to Asiata admittedly), Jed Cartwright looks like he could be a quality addition, Holmes and Ashworth are solid SL players, and whilst Sao can be a liability there's no doubt he has the talent if Cartwright can get him channelling his aggression in the right ways. Lane and Fash are plodders, but every squad has those. I really like Staveley and hope he gets an early chance, and Salabio is an interesting project signing. At hooker we've got Borough who is solid if unspectacular and Balmforth who could be a superstar of he can tidy up some parts of his game and get his fitness where it needs to be. The back line is the worry. It's workmanlike, but not exactly exciting. If we get get Cross it immediately looks better. But I think we are really going to need someone like Litten to have a real breakout year, because if we are relying on guys like Chamberlain playing a lot of games then we aren't going to be going very far.

Hoping Cartwright stays fit, liked what isaw last year, could be one of the best backrowers in SL.

[quote="Mr. Zucchini Head":3fhee98o]I actually think our pack is amongst the better ones in the league. Ese'ese and Asiata are two of the best in SL (injury question marks next to Asiata admittedly), Jed Cartwright looks like he could be a quality addition, Holmes and Ashworth are solid SL players, and whilst Sao can be a liability there's no doubt he has the talent if Cartwright can get him channelling his aggression in the right ways. Lane and Fash are plodders, but every squad has those. I really like Staveley and hope he gets an early chance, and Salabio is an interesting project signing. At hooker we've got Borough who is solid if unspectacular and Balmforth who could be a superstar of he can tidy up some parts of his game and get his fitness where it needs to be. The back line is the worry. It's workmanlike, but not exactly exciting. If we get get Cross it immediately looks better. But I think we are really going to need someone like Litten to have a real breakout year, because if we are relying on guys like Chamberlain playing a lot of games then we aren't going to be going very far.[/quote:3fhee98o] I'll get hammered as a troll no doubt but for me you've got Ese ese Asiata, Cartwright and Rapana that have real quality, then you've got some talented young lads, I like Moy, he's very exciting BUT still very small. Balmforth, Staveley and Martin look very promising, but as promising as they look are they om a par with the young kids that Wigan produce? IMO no.

Moy is on the smallish side. But he has put nearly a stone on. Shaul wasn't that big but he did ok

[quote="bishops finger":1utkhcfg]I'll get hammered as a troll no doubt but for me you've got Ese ese Asiata, Cartwright and Rapana that have real quality, then you've got some talented young lads, I like Moy, he's very exciting BUT still very small. Balmforth, Staveley and Martin look very promising, but as promising as they look are they om a par with the young kids that Wigan produce? IMO no.[/quote:1utkhcfg] No I don't think that's unfair. The 4 you mention are the 4 that I am sure will produce. But there are plenty of others who are proven SL players. Might not rip up any trees but they are experienced and dependable and should help right the ship during this transitional period we are clearly in. Cust is perhaps the most interesting one. I actually think he could prove to be an inspired signing, but he also could just fall into that previous category. The thing that sets Wigan apart is the volume of quality youngsters. Year after year they seem to be able to roll a bunch more off the production line. But in terms of quality I don't think they currently have anyone breaking through that is streets ahead of a Moy, Balmforth, Martin or Staveley. I think those 4 in particular have the ability to be anything with the right coaching. And there are some other very promising kids too.