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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"I was re-reading 'the dentist's diary' after looking for more info on the Eva Hardaker memorial trophy, but this extract from no.425 made me think about what has happened since Pearson took over and the vision/master plan he had for the youngsters/academy set-up and the club.
"What a night it was again for the FC youngsters in the England Academy, after what turned out to be a famous victory at Leigh on Friday.
Come on guys admit it, at such a quiet time, how good was it to read of the success of our lads in that two game series? With all three playing really well and Abdull kicking the goals, they all got on the score sheet as they starred in what was hailed as ‘an historic victory’. In addition Callum Lancaster played in the first game and back home Harry Tyson –Wilson is tearing it up in training as it appears he is already looked upon as the ’first reserve’ half back behind Pryce and Sneyd.
But most importantly for me, this also provided the average FC fan with a first indication that all the investment and faith Pearson has put into developing the young players at the Club is paying off. Two years ago he went on and on about how good our 16 and 17 year olds were going to be and there is little doubt that he has been proved right. Yes, they all have a lot of work to do and the leap to the first team is still a big one to make, but we should all be very proud of our lads and Adam should, for once, get a feeling that it’s at last starting to come together as his youth development master plan of 2012 appears to be coming good."
how many from the 2012/13/14 seasons of 16/17 year old have made any impact or got into the first team proper?
JA on and off after a season at the dobbins, was reportedly on his way back there before his injury. Turgut last year as a stop gap for injuries but is out of favour. Lancaster and Logan again only due to injuries and that started back in 2014, Lancaster is gone, Logan gets a shout when we are down to bare bones, Tyson-Wilson's are gone, James Cunningham not given a decent go and was announced in the England knights side earlier this season, Jack Downs doesn't seem to be anywhere near good/big enough for the role he's meant to be playing, Litten might well be good enough for SL but is shunned by Radford to shoehorn other players in the side. Any others from that period?
Brad Fash this season is really the only one to make any impact whatsoever or any period since Radford took over.
Before Pearson came along Crooks, Lineham, Shaul, Green, Bowden came through the academy at some point and have either made a big impression, cemented a first XVII spot or made a lot of appearances (and moved on to other clubs). There doesn't seem to be a good return from those years of the junior ranks from the 2012-14 16/17 year olds aside from Fash to "come good".
What has happened that the investment has not paid dividends, that the well has all but dried up of top talent coming through particularly from that period that Wilf raved about?'"
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"And yet we got to Wembley three times and a GF in the 6 years before AP took over the club, won one CC, unlucky in both the others due to a heap of injuries and outclassed in '06 by a top St.Helens side.
The only difference under AP's tenure is we've won one more trophy but been to 2 fewer finals.
The simple fact is we have less home grown talent in the starting XVII now than we did in the 2006 GF team which had EIGHT home grown players in the side.
Yeaman (22)
Cooke (25)
Horne (23)
Radford (27)
Washbrook (20)
Wheeldon (20)
G.Horne (23)
King (24)
I personally don't think we've improved in developing the youngsters, we've gone backwards, buying a team that was over the cap to win the CC is all well and good but it's not a long term sustainable plan and that has come home to oost last year and this, even former players like Kirk Dixon have said that our youngsters are not experienced enough/not up to scratch. As I've pointed out, it's not that there aren't good youngsters coming through but there has been a decidedly lack of quality players or development of players to come through the system in the last 6 years, especially considering the investments that have been made.'"
For the 3rd time, I am going to ask you a genuine question. Out of the many young players we have let go/failed, how many have gone on to develop, rip trees up in SL and come back to bite us on the booty? | | | |
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"And yet we got to Wembley three times and a GF in the 6 years before AP took over the club, won one CC, unlucky in both the others due to a heap of injuries and outclassed in '06 by a top St.Helens side.
The only difference under AP's tenure is we've won one more trophy but been to 2 fewer finals.
The simple fact is we have less home grown talent in the starting XVII now than we did in the 2006 GF team which had EIGHT home grown players in the side.
Yeaman (22)
Cooke (25)
Horne (23)
Radford (27)
Washbrook (20)
Wheeldon (20)
G.Horne (23)
King (24)
I personally don't think we've improved in developing the youngsters, we've gone backwards, buying a team that was over the cap to win the CC is all well and good but it's not a long term sustainable plan and that has come home to oost last year and this, even former players like Kirk Dixon have said that our youngsters are not experienced enough/not up to scratch. As I've pointed out, it's not that there aren't good youngsters coming through but there has been a decidedly lack of quality players or development of players to come through the system in the last 6 years, especially considering the investments that have been made.'"
So there were 8 players in 2006. If we were to get to a final this season we could expect to see the following in our matchday 17:
Shaul, Taylor (home grown as in club trained, or from Hull??), Houghton, Green, Bowden, Hadley, Westerman (came through the Hull academy) and then most likely Fash or Matongo. That is 8 also.
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Knockersbump is not a Fc fan just a red and white wind up merchant
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| Quote ="Wizard crane"Knockersbump is not a Fc fan just a red and white wind up merchant'"
While he's got some very odd views for a Hull fan, he seems an equally unlikely Rovers WUM.
He's consistently critical of you're successes, further highlighting them - but his contribution to the Albert Kelly thread was to argue about enzymes that metabolize alcohol with Standee. Maybe he was building his cover, but opportunities like that don't come around very often, so building it for what?
Now, Sandro reckons Cabman (for those who remember him) was a B&W imposter, so it maybe wouldn't be the strangest bit of sock puppetry ever... but it'd be up there. | | | |
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"While he's got some very odd views for a Hull fan, he seems an equally unlikely Rovers WUM.
He's consistently critical of you're successes, further highlighting them - but his contribution to the Albert Kelly thread was to argue about enzymes that metabolize alcohol with Standee. Maybe he was building his cover, but opportunities like that don't come around very often, so building it for what?
Now, Sandro reckons Cabman (for those who remember him) was a B&W imposter, so it maybe wouldn't be the strangest bit of sock puppetry ever... but it'd be up there.'"
Cab woman deffo was.  | | | |
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