To be fair, Lee has "put his hand up" in the HDM today, at first I thought, excuses,excuses,excuses. But then I thought it over again, a lot of people having their first season in their role, so I now don't blame Lee, in the same way I don't blame Miller for his wage. If you get a job, it is the gift of someone else, if you don't have the ability and knowledge and experience at the time, that isn't your fault. It's down to whomever hired you.

Thanks Wellsy13 - I genuinely couldn't have put it better myself !

What a strange person, so much anger.

Absolutely it's another factor. As I said in another post, it's difficult/sometimes impossible to separate the calibre of player from the calibre of coach, at least until there is much more observable evidence.

It is, but it's a great example of how to manipulate statistics by choosing your cut-off dates well. Wigan have contested 5 major finals in the last 4 seasons, and none in the previous 6, we've appeared in one in the last 6, but 3 in 4 years before that. If you choose any amount of seasons other than 10 (literally any, I believe), Wigan are in front.

We're still behind on 10!

The other problem is that we have only won 1 from the 4

Sorry! Should have put an 'increasingly' in there.