I agree totally how can you expect any Halfback to play on the back of a losing pack ???
We have not been agressive enough for years now

that is why we have brought in Paea ( and the project that is FEKA)
give the kid a chance after a full pre season
Looks a decent prospect to me and given a bit of confidence could turn out to be our Dobbo

Exactly what I'm trying to get at. Holdsworth's good when the game's going our way, but when it isn't he seems to do little to help try and change that, and in my opinion he should by one of those we can look to to do so.

Nah, it was a Meli special that did for him.

Look, we just don't agree about any of this so there's no point going back and forth. I don't agree those others also disappear in the same way as Holdsworth, I think you still see them trying to rally their teammates and tell them what they want. I don't agree there isn't a bit more Holdsworth can try. And I haven't said that I think Horne has been leagues ahead of Holdsworth, so I don't understand why you've brought that up with me.

hopefully we can see them both fire a bit more next year, on there day both can be very good, lets just hope there are afew more good days next year,

On their day is no longer enough. The new mantra is to be consistently good, which is quite right IMO.