Kind of agree, but we are NOT getting rid of him now, that's clear, so the issue is, do we support him and hope for change, or still moan. I have my doubts, but given the debate of 'shall we get rid' is an acedemic one, I prefer support and wait, rather than critercise and wait.

Good point about the start of the year, he was picking the side. But I remeber a quote in the HDM when we won 5 from 5 and on the back of a GREAT display against Bradford (Before we learnt they were cr#p), that AGAR said "The great start has even surprised me", and I thought then - nice guy, poor leader. Wrong choice of words. "We're bonded as a a group, doing the little things right, and concentrating on one game after another, that way the results take care of themselves" would be leadership. So, like I said, AND many have said, the critisim of AGAR is easy, and we all have doubts, but I'll hold back now for next season.

It's all to little to late.

The sooner we have a new board with fresh ideas and drive and a new coach the better.

FWIW Even though Thack has been shown the door, he's always out with the guys getting p1ssed on a Friday. Seen it for weeks in the Weir.

Now although that is bad, I used to frequent a bar in Saint Helens (like the Weir) where I the majority of the Saints squad would be getting p1ssed and fighting. However, they were always winning, so it was never an issue!

exactly how i see it, his lack of game plan/set moves and no pride or passion, hs to be down to our second class coachig set up, 1st class facilities frek all else!!!

Agreed - except that professional rugby players on the kind of money some of these guys are on should not need the coach or anyone else to instil in them pride and determination; it should be there already.

If you also added :

Improved the basic skill level.
(Faster play the ball, faster passing,better defensive line speed- as implemented by Nathan Brown at the Giants)

Then - Id say 'Bang on the money'